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Post by sixshot on Jan 7, 2022 19:19:46 GMT -5
I'm scratching my head on this one, wish they would just free up many, many thousands of SP primers!
Dick
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Post by leadhound on Jan 7, 2022 19:26:04 GMT -5
I'm scratching my head on this one, wish they would just free up many, many thousands of SP primers! Dick Looks like they are finding new uses to limit the supply!
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Post by starmetal47 on Jan 7, 2022 19:32:40 GMT -5
Reinventing the wheel. There are 30/32 calibers cartridges out there that literally BLOW the doors off this new on. To name to the 30 Luger and 7.62x25 Tokarev. In fact that 7.62 Tokie in a Tokarev pistol is one small light package to carry for CCW.
BTW mention of that little bit of a rim on the 32acp. I'm running two 32 acp's. One a Walther PP and the other a 1903 Colt. Nary a hobbled with that little rim, feeds great. Also you can pump up the 32acp to European standards and it's pretty potent. Be my pick over a 380 any day of the week.
The I really like though is the 30 Luger. I have it in four pistols.
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Post by Encore64 on Jan 7, 2022 19:41:45 GMT -5
Reinventing the wheel. There are 30/32 calibers cartridges out there that literally BLOW the doors off this new on. To name to the 30 Luger and 7.62x25 Tokarev. In fact that 7.62 Tokie in a Tokarev pistol is one small light package to carry for CCW. BTW mention of that little bit of a rim on the 32acp. I'm running two 32 acp's. One a Walther PP and the other a 1903 Colt. Nary a hobbled with that little rim, feeds great. Also you can pump up the 32acp to European standards and it's pretty potent. Be my pick over a 380 any day of the week. The I really like though is the 30 Luger. I have it in four pistols. But, those are all necked down rounds. The way I read the advertisements, the priority is being able to fit more rounds in the same size guns. None of the mentioned rounds would increase capacity even though I definitely prefer your suggested cartridges.
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Post by starmetal47 on Jan 7, 2022 20:02:05 GMT -5
I can kind of agree on you about cartridge capacity the 30 Luger is basically a longer 9mm case, but the 7.62 Tokie is much smaller in diameter. Basically in the ball park of a 5.56 case. This is the performance of either those two outperforms the new round you don't need that many shots!!
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Post by Encore64 on Jan 7, 2022 20:25:48 GMT -5
You may want to research that more. The rim on the 7.62x25 is listed at .392" or .002" smaller than the 9mm Luger.
This round is probably well thought out for it's intended marketing.
Whether it is successful or not will depend on several factors. Not the least of is human nature. That is impossible to predict.
Ammo and gun availability will also play a huge roll.
The 327 Federal was soundly rejected as a defense round but widely accepted as a smallish game round. Same round, two completely different markets.
The 9mm Federal and 45 GAP fell out the door and lay dead at the doorsteps.
The 10mm didn't do well, but now gaining strength in the market. The 40 S&W gained enormous popularity, but now is being thrown under the bus.
The World is a fickle place...
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Post by bigbrowndog on Jan 7, 2022 22:06:34 GMT -5
I wonder if the name is based on using 38Super based design and case length, it would explain the full size 1911 concept. I see it aimed at lady’s, and possibly Federal LE, the trend I’ve seen training many Fed LEOs is a lack of ability to take recoil, so many are concerned with “it kicks too much”.
Personally I like the original Super 30,…….but it was a rifle round.
Trapr
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Post by Encore64 on Jan 7, 2022 22:11:30 GMT -5
The 30 Super Carry operates at 50k PSI and the case is .827" long according to a Federal Ammo Release.
Since it's unlikely to be put into small game guns like I'd like, it holds only one point of interest to me.
Load Data might prove interesting as a guideline for a 32 Long Rook Rifle.
The 32 Long Case is .920" in length, so would produce less pressure. Definitely not for 32 Long Revolvers, but in a TC Contender Carbine.....
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Post by tdbarton on Jan 7, 2022 22:59:46 GMT -5
The 30 Super Carry operates at 50k PSI and the case is .827" long according to a Federal Ammo Release. Since it's unlikely to be put into small game guns like I'd like, it holds only one point of interest to me. Load Data might prove interesting as a guideline for a 32 Long Rook Rifle. The 32 Long Case is .920" in length, so would produce less pressure. Definitely not for 32 Long Revolvers, but in a TC Contender Carbine..... Huey…you’ve gone too deep…..
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Post by leadhound on Jan 7, 2022 23:22:08 GMT -5
The 30 Super Carry operates at 50k PSI and the case is .827" long according to a Federal Ammo Release. Since it's unlikely to be put into small game guns like I'd like, it holds only one point of interest to me. Load Data might prove interesting as a guideline for a 32 Long Rook Rifle. The 32 Long Case is .920" in length, so would produce less pressure. Definitely not for 32 Long Revolvers, but in a TC Contender Carbine..... Maybe we'll get new powders out of the deal, highly efficient for small cases?! Possible new bullets for the 32's?
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Post by seancass on Jan 8, 2022 9:42:07 GMT -5
I wonder if 50k-psi out of a 3" barrel will be obnoxious to shoot? Maybe it's so little powder it burns that quickly and won't have too much flash and noise?
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Post by bcelliott on Jan 8, 2022 9:45:55 GMT -5
As encore64 has said, this round could be fun as a semi-auto carbine modern small-game rifle, and with heavier bullets at subsonic velocities, would be really quiet. I'm intrigued to find out the case dimensions. From photos, it looks remarkably similar to a slightly scaled-down 9x23 Winchester. The 50k psi max pressure is also similar, and means that the case web is rifle-like and substantially thicker than 32 acp.
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Post by Encore64 on Jan 8, 2022 10:00:38 GMT -5
This article has a couple external dimensions listed. Not much, but better than nothing I suppose. Have to agree on the ear killer. The 327 Federal and 30 Carbine are both high pressure ear ringers. gununiversity.com/30-super-carry/
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Post by seancass on Jan 8, 2022 10:57:51 GMT -5
That was a good read. Reminds me just a little of when the 327M came out... Also for reference: 357 is 35k psi, 3-2-7 is 45k. 223 is 55k.
It just occurred to me: Someone at Federal just really wants a 32. I wonder if he walks among us?
Federal's website currently lists 32acp Self Defense Ammo! Along with 32H&R self-defense ammo. Two 327M medium game options, plus a SD version. Nine different 32 options branded Federal, even before this 30SC is listed.
Remington doesn't even list a 327 option. 'Course, none of these website lists tell us what may actually be in stores any time soon.
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Post by Encore64 on Jan 8, 2022 11:09:06 GMT -5
My mind goes to the Sig 210 Target Pistol, the old S&W 38 Special Wadcutter Pistols, etc. To me, this cartridge would be at home there.
The only difference between a target pistol and a small game pistol is what it's aimed at.
Even the New Springfield Hi-Power would be cool if they added Adjustable Sights.
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