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Post by jsh on Aug 4, 2013 7:30:32 GMT -5
I went back through several pages reading on the target bulldogs and came up with a few questions for those in the know. I read there were some with a polymer or plastic grip frame. Then also saw mention of aluminum. Are these stainless on curre t 2012/13 guns? Then read statements to the effect if you were going to use it for range work and shoot it much it was possible to wear one out? I don't recall who it was or what type of loading they refered too. Medium to medium heavy loads on the smaller frames with continuous use I could see issues. But with a load close to squib and a plinking load is the CA still prone to excess wear, nature of the beast so to speak? Maybe 1k of plinking loads a year and 10-20 loads of a 50-75 yard whitetail load going to trash it in 3-7 years? I read the articles with interest and liked most everyone's thoughts on packing. Granted it is no S&W or Ruger but if it is going to be worthless in short order I would sure just take those funds and put a bit more with it and go a different route even if it meant switching calibers. I went on a drive yesterday looking around at several of the shops I trade with and found a lot of wheel guns folks had traded in on autos. Calibers, you name it and I think I found one in every flavor except 44 special. Ran across a nice old webley in 455 that had not been bubba'd. It had some finish left on it and seemed tight every where it should be. I studied these pretty hard as I found them a very interesting design when I was in high school. Darn thing came with dies, brass, Hornady ammo some brass and a mold for $475+ tax. Had a hard time walking away from it. And no it wasn't a Foseberry. Jeff
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Post by jsh on Jul 28, 2013 8:00:24 GMT -5
Will just ask this here as it pertains somewhat at least to original post. At least usage in modern 32-20 HV type load. Is royal scot 4100 and aa4100 one in the same? RS4100 is labeled for .410 but I find no data for it handgun or straight wall type cartridges. I was just along for the ride yesterday as a friend was in search of some large pistol primers. So I had very little cash in hand which seems to be normal as of late. I ran across a keg of new old stock H1000 for $12 a lb so had to have that. Then digging around ran across a big bunch of RS 4100. It can be had for very cheap as well. I did a search and nothing much came up. At least no hands on experiances. I may just shoot AA a question and see what they have to say. Jeff
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Post by jsh on Jul 26, 2013 16:36:11 GMT -5
My name is Jeff a d the jsh are my initials. Go by that on every forum I can that some one else hasn't beat me to it. In eastern kansas. Been here pretty much all my life. Hate the hot weather though. Every day I don't have a lite jacket or a long sleeve shirt on is another day that is to hot. Fish and hunt at the drop of a hat for the most part. Will go shoot quicker than that. I was a bird hunting nut until around 1993. Quail and pheasant numbers went down and have not came back as of yet. Messed with waterfowl a bit in the 80's and then went plumb crazy with it after about 90. FYI I had talked to Phil and sy on the phone with questions when most people had never heard of them. Got into ihmsa in there some place and just thought that was the coolest thing ever. Sad thing is it is failing and wish I had the answers to help it out. During my big ihmsa stint I pretty much went wild with long range handgun stuff. Sold all my rifles but what were dads. Thought is was a fair long range pistol shot till I got on the net in 2000 and started talking to a few. I had shot out to about 450 with good results. These guys were just using that to warm up. I still enjoy it but changed paths to different things. Got divorced and still wanted to shoot but bullets were pricey for what $$ I had to use. So after some prodding by ken over at cast boolits I jumped in. Ask him and he will tell you be created a monster. Out of the 4-5000 rounds I shot last year only about 30 of those were jacketed or solid coppers and that is because I tend to push sub 30's to the max. I have 243 that I was working with doing a bit of load work. I have since got the long range rifle bug but finding some place to shoot past 500 is my toughest thing. Only have a couple of them but the are shooters. Got the milsurp rifle bug when I we t to cast. Son was old enough and thought they were neat so it's for the children lol. I came to expect no less from a cast bullet accuracy wise than a jacketed. A lot of folks said I was nuts until I figured a lot out and started winning a fair bit with cast. So heck if they will shoot that good on steel and paper they ought to work for hunting as well? Shot one deer out of the dozens in the last few years with jacketed. The rest were all cast. Shot 5 deer one year all with different calibers in handgun and rifle. Got into the wheel guns after finally getting the same buckeye I looked at over 20 years ago. It was the 32 mag/32-20. Prior to this the 30-20 had become my pet cartridge in ihmsa. I knew what it could do on a good solid platform with cast. So here I am trying to learn what I had been around but ignored for 30 years. Ought to be kicked in the stones for passing on all those 357 max guns for less than $300 in the last 25+ years. Jeff
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Post by jsh on Jul 26, 2013 16:02:19 GMT -5
Are you using store bought or casting your own? If store bought I would suggest at least one coat of alox. It may save you some grief. And I am not a big fan of alox. However It has made store bought usable. As to a deer load. All I can say is 429421 and a dose of 2400. Jeff
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Post by jsh on Jul 26, 2013 12:36:59 GMT -5
All good sound advice above. You didn't mention caliber so I will run with the 30-30 as that is what I have played with micro and Ballard with. I got luck and had no issues with either as I read a BUNCH on the topic before I stepped forward. I played with sizes but ended up with .310+ in my micro if memory serves me right. FYI I cast my own. If you are buying store bought you may have a long road to go down. Look at articles by ranch dog at cast boolits as that is what his design was intended for I believe. I am lucky on my 357 and 44 marlins both are Ballard. The 357 will shoot most anything good to excellent. Feeding is a other issue with certain designs. The 44 on the other hand will eat anything but is very picky on what design and weight it will shoot. As mentioned above this clean the bore and get the carbon and jacket material out. This is just me but once I shoot cast in a gun and get a good load it me era sees a other jacketed bullet. Why? Because the micro groove caused me a great deal of grief when I switched from one to the other. Way more than the Ballard. After going to cast only in certain guns a large part of my flyers went away. As always your mileage may vary. Oops one more thing. If a rifle caliber I would suggest trying a load of standard rifle powder using a starting load or -%10 and see what it does. I got good speed and better accuracy in the micro. Way better than a unique or 2400 typecast. Jeff
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Post by jsh on Jul 21, 2013 18:50:17 GMT -5
There are still cartridges today in many of the top name firearm makers that use twist rates that have been shown to be pretty much worthless with pressures and speeds of today. Yet they keep turning them outm... Jeff That's interesting, Jeff. Can you give us an example or two? Look at the 444 marlin. 1-38/36. That was the downfall of that cartridge IMHO. Look at the 22 6.5 and various 30's with odd twist barrels. I had a TC barrel in 44 that wouldn't shoot in a bucket it was a 36 twist the best I could tell. I won't point fingers but they are out there. I never paid a lot of attention till I started playing with cast bullets a few years back. I have found a Remington in 223 that was a 9 twist. There was some smiths out there in 38/357 with a 12 twist if I recall. Not saying it is the norm but more than one would think. Maybe they were made on a Monday? BP twist rates were a lot different than a smokeless cartridge. As well as groove depth. The transformation from BP to smokeless there were a lot of things tried from both sides of the fence so to speak. Then look at some of the issues that folks have with the 38-40 and 44-40 today with yesteryear type sizing dies that are still designed with a heeled bullet in mind? The 32-20 and the 32-20 marlin? I have yet to play with a marlin but would like to do so in the future. The marlin has issues feeding and with brass life or so I am told. All because the still chamber for the original marlin chambering today. Yet I just spoke to a fellow this past week that says the are tack drivers. Speaking of marlins I have one in 30-30 wcf that is a 14 twist. Yet no one I have ever talked to seems to know of such a critter? Once again found that after going to cast bullets. It is Ballard rifled with marlin markings btw. Jeff
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Post by jsh on Jul 21, 2013 9:25:51 GMT -5
That is what was done to this 45 that I used to own. Never shot it enough to amount to anything before I traded it on down the line.
You never did a before and after on accuracy I take it ? Jeff
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Post by jsh on Jul 21, 2013 9:21:18 GMT -5
I suspect there were some issues with barrel twist too. There are still cartridges today in many of the top name firearm makers that use twist rates that have been shown to be pretty much worthless with pressures and speeds of today. Yet they keep turning them out and folks keep buying them. It has been a while since I have read Elmer's writings to quote anything. With today's modern steel excellent brass and HUGE variety of powders no comparison of 70+ years ago. Someone will always try to make a better mouse trap. Jeff
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Post by jsh on Jul 21, 2013 7:23:25 GMT -5
This is just a thought if any one here has done or tried this. A spin on a budget semi custom rig. Take an unfluted 44 mag cylinder and line bore to 45 lc. Is there enough meat in the 44 cylinder to make up any needed average slop to do any real good to achieve an accuracy gain? I have smith that is a magician with a sw wheel gun that I was going to approach about this. If barrels are an issue I would not be opposed to totally rebarreling. Would setting it back be an option with a factory ? Lol you guys are hard on a fellow. Only thing I have come up with as to a custom gun is 5-5.5" seems the most user friendly as far as packing/ hunting combo in most any caliber. Jeff
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Post by jsh on Jul 20, 2013 19:35:52 GMT -5
I have two different lots of wc820. One is the exact same over the chrono as aa9. The other mirrors 2400. Wish I had another 32 pounds of each. I was just at aa's data. Didn't figure there would be any for any of the 32's and there wasn't. I have been tempted to try 1680 but havnt. My results with the 296/110 were so good why mess with it. Jeff
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Post by jsh on Jul 20, 2013 17:44:45 GMT -5
Cool, yes. Practical. ...... There are not really many riflemen left. I shoot a heck of a lot more than the average "shooter". I consider myself proficient but still I don't consider myself a true rifleman. By today's standards I may actually be some kind of x spurt. ( x spurt = x equals 0. Spurt is a drip under pressure). I have seen it in about every sport I have ever fooled with an out and out equipment race. A body can spend a lot of money on things it still doesn't make them better at what ever they are fooling with. I guess what I mean is you can take a mediocre to fair shooter spend $10000 on a gun and they shoot it no better than a used $300 remchester.
I myself am waiting till the get the above mentioned really perfected. It will have a game dial on it, deer elk bear moose etc. then you load it take it out and leave it in the timber. Go home and wait for a text and GPS coordinates of the animal. :-) I mean really is that maybe not in the future? Just a short 20 years ago how many of us here would have said something like the Internet was possible? Let alone me sitting here typing a message for the world to see on my phone? EK is what heros are. But looking back the Jetsons Buck Rogers and 007 looks fairly normal today huh? Jeff
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Post by jsh on Jul 20, 2013 17:20:52 GMT -5
My bad. Accurate 4100. FYI aa 3100 is out of production. After all the work I did with it in my 25-06 and they drop it. Jeff
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Post by jsh on Jul 20, 2013 13:00:03 GMT -5
Did you ever give this a try? Anyone got any input on the aa3100? Jeff
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Post by jsh on Jul 19, 2013 13:22:51 GMT -5
Fowler. This was about the 4th or 5th gb I was in on. The first 3 or so were excellent. Then lee started getting hammered with orders. Orders went up and quality bottomed out IMHO. I never had and probably never will expect much from them. However I see they have re thought their standard offering design alignment pin ideas. I know a lot of folks swear by lee stuff a d am happy for them. They just have never delivered as far as I am concerned. You get what you pay for. Jeff
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Post by jsh on Jul 18, 2013 19:54:45 GMT -5
I don't think this is a hijack as it pertains to grips. Any of you know the ins and outs of walrus ivory. I know where there is a fair sized tusk(1) that could be had right. I am told it is considered art as it has carving on it. But still enough for at least three sets of grips.
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