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Post by jsh on Sept 1, 2013 8:21:38 GMT -5
I will hush after this. You can always load a large case down. But is darn hard and sometimes dangerous to load a small one up. I use the slowest burning powder I can. I know of way to many local shooters that want a "do all" powder. Then they want to whine about there end results. Powder, primer, cases and bullets are cheap. Guns are expensive. Just a thought Joe but the 2400 may be just a tad bit fast? That is what is handy about some of the VV powders. They have a bit wider variety of burning rates to taylor a load. Not all available in the states though. Jeff
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Post by jsh on Sept 1, 2013 8:04:13 GMT -5
Opinions are like elbows, everyone has a couple. 1 it is hard to replace cubic inches/case capacity. 2 this neglected by many case falls in with the 45-70, 45 colt, 22 hornet and a few others. It refuses to die and can and does out do all the "new mouse traps". I say this with the understanding this is on new manufacture firearms. Look at the different load data and range of the 45-70. Yes cases are cigarette paper thin. But of all the over the top loads I have used in the last 15+ years I will say I have ruined more from a bad bell on the mouth/seating than from wear and tear. Look at the newest gotta have case for the black rifles. They call it the 300 blackout this week. Prior to that it was the 300 whisper. And prior to that there was the 30-221 and a 30-357 and a 30-357 max. I fooled with a couple of the afore mentioned shooting ihmsa because it was the new "magical" do all cartridge that would knock over mouse to moose steel targets so to speak. I fooled with subsonic stuff till I was blue in the face. (before I forget this was all on a TC platform ) I ran across a factory TC 30-20 and did away with the rimless case and a bunch of problems went away. I then proceeded to work up some loads along with some other folks I was shooting with. We all had similar results most all of which were excellent. Mind you this was with jacketed bullets of weights from 110-240. Carrol Pilant of Sierra was still shooting a bit and some talk was done on the 30-20 subject at some point. A factory TC barrel was loaned to Sierra for some load work over the off season and they worked up some loads with a wide assortment of weights. That was done then the crap hit the fan. Someone came up with a BF that was properly chambered rather than the questionable practice of TC and most of the oal lengths would not fit in in the BF nor of course an MOA. So the data was never published for safety reasons. However I did get my paws on all the orginal load work papers. Still have that data. A lot of it is compareable to the brand new how have we ever lived with out it variation of the 30-221. Just another old cartridge that may actually have been made before its time. And while on this note and after visiting with Joe yesterday I have to correct myself on my 140 plain base load. I used 296/110 out of my buckeye and clocked it over the chrono at 1500 fps and change and no leading. And, before any one ask that wasn't just a couple or one cylinder full. It was at least a 24-30 round setting. Played with cast enough that I want to make darn sure a top end load causes me no grief. So to sum it up after all that. Compare apples to apples and run equal pressures and there is no difference. Use all available case capacity and the proofs in the pudding. One last thing on the buckeye. I used rp virgin brass all prepped. It has been shot 4 times now and will be annealed on the mouth before #5. Cases fall out real nice. I have had several revolver guys look the buckeye over and they see nor measured any type of issues. This is a hunting load and not a daily average shooter. Jeff
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Post by jsh on Aug 31, 2013 19:28:52 GMT -5
Joe good visit on the phone today :-). Give this a try. Rest your wrists on a bag and keep the butt off of the bench. Do it a lot like a tc in a mild caliber of course. The bag under your wrist should just support you and the. Let the gun roll on recoil. IMHO there is no right or wrong. If you think your doing it wrong do it the same way every time. Consistancy is the key. Hold it with the same grip every time. Grip it hard grip it loose it will change poi. Start off with dry palms then sweat a little and poi will change again. I keep a dry towel around to grab with my grip hand. A trick I do also is spray your palm with anti perspirant. Let it dry the. Wipe any residue off before shooting or grabbing the grips. Also if a glove is used keep it dry or damp one or the other. I have seen guys put a glove on the spray it with a mist from a spray bottle. You don't get it to shooting I got a red rider lever gun I will trade you even up. It is a good shooter too. Made a cat pass a Harley with it once. :-D. Jeff
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Post by jsh on Aug 31, 2013 5:32:51 GMT -5
Am at work and no gun to check so will just ask. My 41 mag is a 657 made in '03. Did they change twist rates? I am thinking they went to a 1-16 rather than the 18 1/2. I really doubt one would see much if any change but should handle the 250's even better? I have asked around on molds but for the $ I am just as well to put it towards a 2c mold from accurate molds and be done with it. They have nice looking hunting bullet plain base in a 250. The other cavity I am thinking of a 240-250 in a standard Keith design also a plain base. Am going to slug it this weekend come hell or high water. Would really like to hunt with it this fall. Jeff
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Post by jsh on Aug 30, 2013 16:52:44 GMT -5
IMHO the 32-20 leaves the 327 in the dust. You got problems and need gas checked bullets let me know and I will try to give you a hand. The 32-20/30-20 has been my pet for a number of years. Easier to call me than type so pm me and we can visit if you want. I would almost swap my dog for that FA :-D. I do have a buckeye in 32 mag and 32-20. Took me 20+ years to get it but I did. I had in the mean time played with the tc and bf in this cartridge. Lol it doesn't know how old it is and thinks it is a magnum. I got some load data too. Jeff
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Post by jsh on Aug 28, 2013 12:20:52 GMT -5
Any of you gents have a 210-240ish mold for a 41 mag you would part with? I am looking for a casual shooter and a hunting style mold. Jeff
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Post by jsh on Aug 22, 2013 12:28:38 GMT -5
Thanks for more info gents. That is what I was looking for. Six shot did you get complete penetration on the elk with the 230 ? I don't want to go so heavy as to loose my speed thus losing the flat shooting with this round. It looks to me like my findings with the 357. Another 25-35 grains of weight in the right place and you don't sacrafice speed/trajectory. And, my buckeye32-20/32 mag thinks it is way bigger than it is with a 140 plain base, using the 32-20 cylinder. Makes the 327 obsolete from the get go. Jeff
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Post by jsh on Aug 22, 2013 7:57:38 GMT -5
I looked and he didn't list a 41 bullet? Any of you cast your own and have a favorite mold for hunting and one for plinking? Jeff
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Post by jsh on Aug 20, 2013 12:39:42 GMT -5
I have been looking at several but there are those here that have a favorite I am sure. This 657 is a 2003 if that tells you anything. I have read that the twist is different in a smith? .411 a good a enrage size as I am sure I will have a Ruger Bisley before I am done. I am looking at a 240-250 with a .300 nose. Looked at both Keith and LBT style. I am thinking of a bit heavier than a 210. But want enough speed to keep it flat shooting for white tails. Jeff
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Post by jsh on Aug 9, 2013 21:32:38 GMT -5
Well another one on the back burner. None of my ffl folks that cut me a lot slack had any luck finding one in stock. So I will just keep an eye out and see what I can find. As we all know the fun is in the chase S much as catching what we seem. Jeff
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Post by jsh on Aug 9, 2013 21:27:37 GMT -5
I asked at castboolits and will ask here. Good bad and ugly on the 657. I ran across on last week and it gave me a bad itch. I was actually chasing a blackhawk. Those of you here that followed my questions on the 375 atomic pointed me towards a 41 mag. So here I am. I forget barrel length but it is a 6 or 7 at least. Longer than I wanted but a length I like. Full underlug barrel with an unfluted cylinder. It has what I believe is an aim tech weaver style base with a 2x scope. The aim tech is neat as it has a hole bored length wise through it and a built in rear sight. The sight looks to be usable as is the optics. Price is 850 or 950. Seems a wee bit steep to me? I didn't get a number off the crane and write it down. It is an mim hammer and a pre lock action. Any one played with cast in these? Any input or direction is appreciated. Jeff
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Post by jsh on Aug 7, 2013 8:00:40 GMT -5
Not to argue just discussion. You have some 308 with small primer pockets? That would make a big difference then especially with BLC2. The big interest in the 300 black out I have spoken to several that said data called for smrp for that. I just suspected you were working with the 300x221 or variation there of. I have fooled with a lot of smaller 30 caliber cases the past few years and my findings were better with a standard primer. There has been a fair bit of discussion on this subject on several boards. Most seem to think that a hot primer shoves the powder and bullet out into the throat before a complete burn. Most folks I shoot with use a small pistol primer in the hornet for example. 308 case is a different matter of course. Jeff
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Post by jsh on Aug 4, 2013 20:06:36 GMT -5
I can find powder but no 22 ammo or any primers. I myself am good looking for one of the guys I run around with. Lol now he says he will buy them by the case. Hindsight is always 20x20. Small magnum rifle. I never remember small rifle ever being a magnum up until a few years back? Or were they there and no one used them? Never the less let me guess 300 black out/300 whisper/30x221? I was told the AR loading for this calls for small rifle magnum. I worked with that cartridge in ihmsa when it was the latest greatest gotta have it or lose a match caliber. I ran a lot of magnum type powders and never once that I know of had an issue to think I needed a hotter primer. I used small rifle primers and small pistol primers and settled on pistol. Granted you may have more inertia with an AR platform but I don't know why a standard would not work. Jeff
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Post by jsh on Aug 4, 2013 15:42:04 GMT -5
A range visit was planned but the rain put an end to that. Doing domestic chores that didn't get done yesterday as I was touching base with folks at a few shops. Be the end of the month before I get any money freed up for any toys. Keeping my fingers crossed that the 657 I ran across is still there. Jeff
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Post by jsh on Aug 4, 2013 15:33:18 GMT -5
I agree on a GP100 in 44 special. Ran across one yesterday in 38 special I don't need another project. As to plinking loads. They would be just that something on the soft side like a bullseye type load. Maybe even a few of the CCI shot loads now and then. If accura y and energy was there maybe a deer load just to say I did it. But that would be very limited. As small as it is I really figured it would tell you when enough was enough. Kind of like a 45-70 in TC. If one has any nerves at all in there hand or knuckles they should give up before they get in harms way. I have an old victory sw that has been cut down that is what I pack now. Who ever put the front sight on didn't get it square and causes issues much past 20 yards. Redoing is out as it has been chrome plated. I am in it cheap enough that if it gets dropped or lost I am out nothing really. It is what I refer to as my tackle box gun. It is a 38sw rather than a special. 38-200 to be exact bore is a .360. It is kept loaded with shot capsules in the 38sw case and 2 stacked round balls in 38 case. Charley petty or Wiley clapp did a write up some years back on the stacked round ball loads in 38 and 357 cases. Jeff
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