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Post by rjm52 on Sept 28, 2022 6:12:44 GMT -5
A friend of mine in Connecticut bought the prototype of those guns when Marlin was sold to Freedom Group. Unlike the 1894 Classic .218 Bee, .25-20 and .32-20 that had 1/2 magazines and tapered barrels and WONDERFUL ballace, this gun was extremely muzzle heavy due to the octagon barrel. That and the lack of a side loading gate doomed it on the CAS circuit....
He sold it on GB several years ago for double what he paid for it...
Bob
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Post by rjm52 on Sept 27, 2022 19:29:02 GMT -5
Have been running them for years...that said it totally depends on how the chambers are cut.
Newer Colt barrels that are listed as National Match are so tightly chambered they won't even take a slightly bulged .38 Super case. Have at least 5 BarSto barrels and all of them will run 9x23. The SIG barrels that have been available for cheap money may not but can't remember if I tested them or not... Kimbers will run 9x23 like it was made for them.
And no one can not use .38 Super dies to resize 9x23...but I believe you can with standard 9mm dies. Have a set of 9x23 dies but have never loaded any.
A few months ago I had 6" Fusion .38 Super barrels installed in a 10mm PARA Elite LS Hunter and a Kimber Stainless Target Long Slide 10mm...haven't thought to try 9x23s in them...
Bob
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Post by rjm52 on Sept 27, 2022 6:37:35 GMT -5
Never owned one, but that's the plan if I ever order a custom or semi custom 1911, it's be in .38 Super Comp. (I had 9x23 aspirations for years, but decided .38SC would probably do what I need it to. Which is nothing really other than not be .45ACP or 10mm lmao) .38 Super Comp isn't a chambering...it is a cartridge case....just a .38 Super without the semi-rim. The gun would be chambered for .38 Super. Super Comp brass was invented because some double stack magazines like in 2011s and EAAs didn't like the small rim on the Super. Built correctly your custom gun will run Super, SuperComp, 9mm Largo and 9x23 Winchester with only a change of a recoil spring... Bob
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Post by rjm52 on Sept 26, 2022 21:02:18 GMT -5
If you like the 1911 and have never shot one in .38 Super you will be in for a pleasant experience... Like John, if I had one semi-auto centerfire handgun left it would be a .38 Super...picking from the ones I have would be difficult however.
Have been shooting .38 Super since 1980 and rarely am I out of the house without one.
Shot a Dan Wesson Guardian in an IDPA shoot yesterday and last month it was a Kimber Night Patrol with a SIG made .38 Super barrel... Have about everything from a 3" Colt Defender to 6" Kimber and PARA longslides as well as five revolvers and two TC Contender barrels...
YMMV....Bob
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Post by rjm52 on Sept 26, 2022 20:22:26 GMT -5
If you don't put it out with a BuyNow...and never do that with a rare gun, decide what your bottom dollar is and you can't be disappointed.
I'd start it at about $550 and you will get more than that... List it on a Friday evening on a 9 day auction so you get two weekends and it ends on a Sunday evening...
Bob
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Post by rjm52 on Sept 26, 2022 4:50:24 GMT -5
That first pair of ivory stocked .45s went for $8k...no original boxes or paperwork...just a presentation case...
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Post by rjm52 on Sept 25, 2022 18:47:35 GMT -5
Before the owner died, I tried some of the Penn Bullets TC bullets in my .41 Magnums...they were exceptionally accurate...
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Post by rjm52 on Sept 25, 2022 18:37:56 GMT -5
Nice...and nice to carry...
Have a Colt Defender and New Agent in 9mm...excellent shooters. Had a .38 Super barrel fitted to the Defender...
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Post by rjm52 on Sept 25, 2022 18:35:03 GMT -5
Today was a local IDPA shoot...have so many 1911s I've decided to shoot a different one each time...
Today was Dan Wesson Guardian/.38 Super day. Only thing changed from stock was the sights...now have TruGlo TFX. Really smooth shooting gun...
In the BUG portion of the match was a Kahr P380 that I picked up last week for a can't pass it up price...was LNIB with night sights...robably my favorite pocket gun.
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Post by rjm52 on Sept 24, 2022 19:34:34 GMT -5
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Post by rjm52 on Sept 24, 2022 18:37:21 GMT -5
Zero issues with my PARA...dumped a whole mag into an 8" gong at 100 yards from the seated backrest position. Did the same with the Kimber.
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Post by rjm52 on Sept 24, 2022 18:27:07 GMT -5
Been there done that and never again... Had a 357 PD 4" and 357 NG 2.5" and neither were even pleasant to shoot with .41 Special level loads.
Friend had the two 325 PDs, 4" and 2.5" and with standard .45 ACP loads were ok to shoot but not real pleasant with +P loads.
Whoever came up with the idea of the blast shield probably got a bonus from S&W but has cost them THOUSANDS in shipping fees as that is covered under their lifetime warranty...shoot the gun without it and it can damage the topstrap in short order...
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Post by rjm52 on Sept 24, 2022 18:11:12 GMT -5
.38 Super in a .38 Special revolver...yes it will work, sometimes. Most factory ammo will not fit in most .38 Special revolvers. One that does is Winchester. The other issue is headspace. The rim on the Super case is narrower than a .38/.357. This causes excessive headspace that can cause misfires and on occasion pierced primers... Reloads, best to use a LEE Precision undersize .38 Super die that can be purchased from EGW or other places on line. leeprecision.com/undersize-sizing-die-38-super.htmlI have a S&W 686-7 .38 Super and three S&W revolvers that TK Custom made .38 Super cylinders for...(66-2, 60-10 and 649-2). When .38 Special cartriges are fired in those cylinders they have a noticeable bulge where the chamber had to be increased in diameter to accommodate the Super case.
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Post by rjm52 on Sept 24, 2022 17:56:16 GMT -5
"You've sized it up nicely. That's exactly why I went with a Heavy Duty 38 Special. It can be loaded to almost duplicate the 357 Magnum, but reduces easier than the Magnum Length Case..."
I use the same load, 358156/158 grains/6.0 Unique in all four of my .38s... S&W Heavy Duty, S&W 67, S&W 649 and a Colt 2.5" Diamondback...reasoning is simple.
The Colt steel frame Detective Special was factory rated for .38 Special High Velocity (.38-44) ammo in the 1950s. A Diamondback is nothing but a fancy DS.
649...J-frame...same basic gun is a 942...9mm...as in 30K+ psi...and I'm going to worry my relaods that are probably not even making that are going to blow up my gun...no.
67...there is a 947 9mm K-frame...same reasoning as the the Js...
Original .38-44, .38 Special High Speed, had several different loadings by Winchester/Western and Remington/Peters.
150-158 grain bullets were running in the 1115-1150 fps and 110s in the 1350 range from a 5" barrel.
Buffalo Bore certifies their .38 Special 158 hardcast Outdoorsman and 158 LSWC-HP-GC for use in ALUMINUM frame snubbies...and they are running 1150 from a 4"...do they have a magic powder...
Folks over on the S&W and Cast Boolit forums get their panties all in a wad at the mere mention of .38 Special loads that approach 1000 fps. But not a one of them can explain why the same gun in 9mm/30k psi is just peachy...
...sorry to rant...just one of my pet peeves...
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Post by rjm52 on Sept 24, 2022 6:19:58 GMT -5
Have to say you would be better off just sticking with .38 Special and .357 Magnum brass.
I have three loadings for .38/.357... Target velocity .38 special .38-44 loads .357 Loads
The .38 Special runs mostly 158 grain SWC bullets in the 800 fps range from a 4" revolver and loaded in brass cases.
.38-44 loads run 125-158 grain lead bullets in the 1150-1350 fps range and try to use only nickel cases.
.357s get 125-160 jacketed or 158-180 grain hardcast lead and only full loads.
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