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Post by bigbore5 on Sept 21, 2022 21:40:50 GMT -5
My shorter cylinder Old Models in .357 put the nose of the 358429 bullet right at the end of the cylinder with .357 brass. To give myself a little more clearance, I am going to shoot 38sp brass loaded to 38-44 specs.
I don't use 2400 for anything else, so don't see the point in buying it for just this. I do have plenty of H110, 4227, power pistol, universal, tight group, Heavy Pistol, and 300MP.
Currently I have loaded that bullet on 12.2grs 4227 after a Handloader magazine data I found on load data. It's good but some of the others might be better.
What's some of the loads y'all are using?
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Post by taffin on Sept 22, 2022 9:01:37 GMT -5
Smith & Wesson Model 19
.38/44 Loads
6” M19-3 Blue 6” M19 Nickel
Load MV 5 Shots/20 Yds MV 5 Shots/20Yds
#38-150KT/12.5 gr. #4227 1053 fps 1-1/4” 1039 fps 1-1/4”
#358477/12.0 gr. #4227 1045 fps 1-1/4” 1015 fps 2-1/4”
#358429KT/11.0 gr. #2400 1114 fps 1-3/8” 1132 fps 1-3/8”
#358429KT/12.5 gr. #2400 1159 fps 1-3/8” 1183 fps 1-1/4”
#358429KT/12.0 gr. #4227 975 fps 1-1/4” 977 fps 1-3/4”
#358156GC/13.5 gr. #2400* 1171 fps 1” 1206 fps 1”
*Crimped in bottom crimping groove
4” M19-4 Nickel 4” M19 Blue (Whit’s)
Load MV 5 Shots/20 Yds MV 5 Shots/20Yds
#38-150KT/12.5 gr. #4227 983 fps 2-1/8” 948 fps 1-7/8”
#358477/12.0 gr. #4227 974 fps 1-7/8” 925 fps 1-5/8”
#358429KT/11.0 gr. #2400 1048 fps 1-1/4” 1028 fps 2-1/4”
#358429KT/12.5 gr. #2400 1081 fps 1-5/8” 1078 fps 3”
#358429KT/12.0 gr. #4227 915 fps 2-3/4” 906 fps 2-5/8”
#358156GC/13.5 gr. #2400* 1078 fps 2-1/4” 1086 fps 7/8”
*Crimped in bottom crimping groove
4” M19-3 TT/TH 4” M19-3
Load 5 Shots/20 Yds 5 Shots/20Yds
#38-150KT/12.5 gr. #4227 2” 1-3/4”
#358477/12.0 gr. #4227 2” 1-3/8”
#358429KT/11.0 gr. #2400 1-1/4” 1-3/4”
#358429KT/12.5 gr. #2400 1-7/8” 1-1/4”
#358429KT/12.0 gr. #4227 1-3/4” 2-1/4”
#358156GC/13.5 gr. #2400* 1-1/4” 1”
*Crimped in bottom crimping groove
2-1/2” M19 Blue 2-1/2” M19 NP
Load MV 5 Shots/20 Yds MV 5 Shots/20Yds
#38-150KT/12.5 gr. #4227 928 fps 2-3/8” 975 fps 2-1/8”
#358477/12.0 gr. #4227 960 fps 2-1/4” 990 fps 2-1/4”
#358429KT/11.0 gr. #2400 1011 fps 2-1/2” 1031 fps 2-1/8”
#358429KT/12.5 gr. #2400 1018 fps 1-3/8” 1031 fps 1-7/8”
#358429KT/12.0 gr. #4227 913 fps 1-3/4” 956 fps 2-1/4”
#358156GC/13.5 gr. #2400* 1059 fps 2-1/4” 1099 fps 2-1/2”
*Crimped in bottom crimping groove
2-1/2” M66 3” M66 PC
Load MV 5 Shots/20 Yds MV 5 Shots/20Yds
#38-150KT/12.5 gr. #4227 946 fps 2” 956 fps 2”
#358477/12.0 gr. #4227 977 fps 2-1/2” 946 fps 2”
#358429KT/11.0 gr. #2400 1037 fps 1-3/8” 1012 fps 2”
#358429KT/12.5 gr. #2400 1041 fps 2” 1027 fps 1-3/4”
#358429KT/12.0 gr. #4227 910 fps 2-1/8” 913 fps 2-1/4”
#358156GC/13.5 gr. #2400* 1102 fps 2-1/8” 1062 fps 2-3/8”
*Crimped in bottom crimping groove
3” M65-5 S.S.
Load MV 5 Shots/20 Yds
#38-150KT/12.5 gr. #4227 925 fps 2-1/8”
#358429KT/11.0 gr. #2400 1036 fps 2”
#358429KT/12.5 gr. #2400 1046 fps 2-1/4”
#358429KT/12.0 gr. #4227 934 fps 2-1/4”
#358156GC/13.5 gr. #2400* 1110 fps 1-3/4”
*Crimped in bottom crimping groove
.38 Special Loads
2-1/2” M19-3 Blue 2-1/2” M19-4 NP
Load MV 5 Shots/20 Yds 5 Shots/20 Yds
#358429/5.0 gr. Unique 894 fps 2-1/4” 1-3/4”
#358477/5.0 gr. Unique 865 fps 1-1/2” 2-1/2”
#358311/5.0 gr. Unique 857 fps 1-5/8” 2”
#358311/3.5 gr. Bullseye 719 fps 2-1/4” 1-3/4”
#358477/3.5 gr. Bullseye 726 fps 3-1/4” 1-1/4”
OT 148 WC/2.9 gr.Bullseye 631 fps 2” 2”
4” M19-3 Blue TT/TH 4” M19-3 Blue
Load MV 5 Shots/20 Yds MV 5 Shots/20 Yds
#358429/5.0 gr. Unique 911fps 2” 900 fps 1-5/8”
#358477/5.0 gr. Unique 918 fps 1-3/8” 935 fps 1-3/8”
#358311/5.0 gr. Unique 900 fps 1-3/8” 907 fps 1-1/2”
4” M19-4 Blue (Whit’s) 4” M19-4 NP
Load MV 5 Shots/20 Yds MV 5 Shots/20 Yds
#358429/5.0 gr. Unique 868 fps 2-1/8” 889 fps 2-1/8”
#358477/5.0 gr. Unique 892 fps 1-5/8” 912 fps 1-1/4”
#358311/5.0 gr. Unique 878 fps 1” 887 fps 2-1/8”
3” M66-4 PC 3”M65-5 SS
Load MV 5 Shots/20 Yds 5 Shots/20 Yds
#358429/5.0 gr. Unique 905 fps 1-3/4” 3”
#358477/5.0 gr. Unique 937 fps 1-7/8” 2-1/2”
#358311/5.0 gr. Unique 901 fps 2-1/8” 1-1/4”
#358311/3.5 gr. Bullseye 742 fps 2” 1”
#358477/3.5 gr. Bullseye 769 fps 1-1/2” 1-3/4”
OT 148 WC/2.9 gr.Bullseye 660 fps 1-1/2” 2-1/2’
.357 Magnum Loads
6” Blue M19-3 6” Nickel M19
Load MV 5 Shots/20 Yds MV 5 Shots/20Yds #38-150KT/14.0 gr. #4227 1100 fps 1-3/8” 1104 fps 1-1/2”
#358429KT/14.0 gr. #4227 1084 fps 1-7/8” 1125 fps 1-7/8”
4” M19-4 Nickel 4” M19 Blue (Whit’s)
#38-150KT/14.0 gr. #4227 1069 fps 1-7/8” 1023 fps 1-3/8”
#358429KT/14.0 gr. #4227 1035 fps 1-7/8” 1058 fps 2-1/2”
6” M586 NP 3” M66 PC
Load MV 5 Shots/20 Yds MV 5 Shots/20Yds
#358156/15.5 gr. #4227 1331 fps 1-1/2” 1149 fps 1-1/4”
#358156/15.0 gr. H110 1303 fps 1-1/4” 1105 fps 1-1/4”
#358156/14.0 gr. #2400 1279 fps 1-3/4” 1078 fps 2”
#358429/13.5 gr. #2400 1406 fps 1-1/2” 1273 fps 1-3/8”
#38-150KT/13.5 gr. #2400 1251 fps 1-1/2” 1083 fps 1-3/8”
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Post by ezekiel38 on Sept 22, 2022 10:11:02 GMT -5
Wow John! What a treasure trove of 38/357 info. Appreciate all your hard work and dutiful recording of same!
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Post by bigbore5 on Sept 23, 2022 3:35:45 GMT -5
Thank you Mr. Taffin. As always, I am humbled by your experience and knowledge.
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 23, 2022 4:43:29 GMT -5
Also, highly recommend ordering Handloader #304 from Wolfe Publishing.
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Post by 45MAN on Sept 23, 2022 7:07:01 GMT -5
Wow John! What a treasure trove of 38/357 info. Appreciate all your hard work and dutiful recording of same! YEP, WAS GOING TO POST SOMETHING SIMILAR BUT ezekiel38 BEAT ME TO IT - 45MAN |
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Post by rjm52 on Sept 24, 2022 19:34:34 GMT -5
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