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Post by potatojudge on Aug 1, 2024 18:21:33 GMT -5
hammerbullets.com/product/357-cal-150gr-jack-hammer/I wonder how this profile would bite given a raking shot on bone. Seems like a wide meplat, straight ogive, solid bullet with this sort of hollow point dish would have a decent chance of turning into the bone rather than away. When I did all the mono metal testing….those didn’t make the cut. Their more round profile didn’t transfer much energy and the shallow hollow tip/point did not upset. I spent right at $500 on their bullets for handguns….trying to find one that was impressive. I've always had issue with the fact that they'd drop tons of bullets, tell customers make up load data, now years later they finally have some on their website. I suspect they can design and cut bullets faster than they can vet them for performance. Guarantee they don't have real world performance data on half those bullets. Just compared their 180 grain 44 mag load. Same velocity you get out of a 180 XTP. Sticking to Cutting Edge when I want a monometal. They shoot lights out in my 416-350 Rem Mag Mauser and fit the mag perfectly. |
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Post by handgunhuntingafield on Aug 1, 2024 21:03:29 GMT -5
When I did all the mono metal testing….those didn’t make the cut. Their more round profile didn’t transfer much energy and the shallow hollow tip/point did not upset. I spent right at $500 on their bullets for handguns….trying to find one that was impressive. I've always had issue with the fact that they'd drop tons of bullets, tell customers make up load data, now years later they finally have some on their website. I suspect they can design and cut bullets faster than they can vet them for performance. Guarantee they don't have real world performance data on half those bullets. Just compared their 180 grain 44 mag load. Same velocity you get out of a 180 XTP. Sticking to Cutting Edge when I want a monometal. They shoot lights out in my 416-350 Rem Mag Mauser and fit the mag perfectly. you are 100% correct in your assumption. After failed tests on live tissue I put together a group of handgun hunters including Mark Hampton and WE offered to help improve the bullet with actual testing…..nothing came of it. Cutting Edge is the mono that stood out to me in my testing….I had a few years and quite a few animals with them before I ended up being on their prostaff. |
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Post by bigbore5 on Aug 1, 2024 21:17:13 GMT -5
The .510" 410gr looks like an SSK bullet. Like I said in another post, the SSK bullet performed great, until it didn't. At least these will take deformation out of the equation. The ones that I used way back when were cast from Lyman #2, water-dropped. Very hard but not brittle.
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Post by 45MAN on Aug 2, 2024 10:30:37 GMT -5
HATE TO USE THE TERM, BUT "IIRC", BACK ON MY 2001 (OR THEREABOUTS) SAFARI TO MOZAMBIQUE, I RECOVERED 2 .452 COR-BON 305gr FMJ FLAT POINT PENETRATORS SHOT AT 454 EQUIVALENT LEVELS OUT OF A 10" FA MODEL 83, ONE BULLET WAS RECOVERED UNDER THE SKIN ON THE OFF-SIDE SHOULDER OF A CAPE BUFFALO (A DOUBLE SHOULDER BROADSIDE SHOT) AND THE OTHER DEEP IN THE NECK OF A HIPPO (A FRONTAL HEAD SHOT), AND IIRC BOTH BULLETS SHOWED IMPRESSIVE BULLET INTEGRITY. IF LACK OF BULLET INTEGRITY WAS AN ISSUE I SURE AS HELL THINK I WOULD REMEMBER.
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Post by revolvercranker on Aug 2, 2024 10:36:25 GMT -5
HATE TO USE THE TERM, BUT "IIRC", BACK ON MY 2001 (OR THEREABOUTS) SAFARI TO MOZAMBIQUE, I RECOVERED 2 .452 COR-BON 305gr FMJ FLAT POINT PENETRATORS SHOT AT 454 EQUIVALENT LEVELS OUT OF A 10" FA MODEL 83, ONE BULLET WAS RECOVERED UNDER THE SKIN ON THE OFF-SIDE SHOULDER OF A CAPE BUFFALO (A DOUBLE SHOULDER BROADSIDE SHOT) AND THE OTHER DEEP IN THE NECK OF A HIPPO (A FRONTAL HEAD SHOT), AND IIRC BOTH BULLETS SHOWED IMPRESSIVE BULLET INTEGRITY. IF LACK OF BULLET INTEGRITY WAS AN ISSUE I SURE AS HELL THINK I WOULD REMEMBER. That's impressive 45man. I'm sure you read, or possibly watched the videos, of Razon Dobbs killing two Cape Buffalos with a Dan Wesson 1911 in 10mm with a five inch barrel. He used hard cast bullets and if I remember correctly they were both broad side heart shots. He recovered no bullets they both passed through. He was smart enough to have a PH as a back up if things went bad. Your double shoulder shot is even more impressive to me. |
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Post by 45MAN on Aug 2, 2024 13:25:16 GMT -5
revolvercranker: I HAVE NOT FOLLOWED MR. DOBBS.
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Post by revolvercranker on Aug 2, 2024 14:35:22 GMT -5
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Post by bigbrowndog on Aug 2, 2024 18:33:31 GMT -5
What I see is an edited version of events, so no conclusions can be drawn except that he shot a Caffer with a 10mm and a dead Caffer was located. Nothing more nothing less, how many shots were actually required is unknown, except by those on hand. Claiming the heart was hit without opening up the Caffer is a guess. Pounding your finger into the chest of your guide is arrogance to me personally, then to claim the level of performance provided is not capable by “any” other manufacturer of ammunition is simply paying your SPONSOR.
The video only shows a Caffer being hit and a recovered Caffer, what happens in the frames in between is not shown.
Trapr
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Post by revolvercranker on Aug 2, 2024 19:20:11 GMT -5
What I see is an edited version of events, so no conclusions can be drawn except that he shot a Caffer with a 10mm and a dead Caffer was located. Nothing more nothing less, how many shots were actually required is unknown, except by those on hand. Claiming the heart was hit without opening up the Caffer is a guess. Pounding your finger into the chest of your guide is arrogance to me personally, then to claim the level of performance provided is not capable by “any” other manufacturer of ammunition is simply paying your SPONSOR. The video only shows a Caffer being hit and a recovered Caffer, what happens in the frames in between is not shown. Trapr I'd say you're just jealous. Let's see you do it. You apparently don't know much about Dobbs. I suggest your research him. |
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Post by Randominator on Aug 2, 2024 19:38:28 GMT -5
What I see is an edited version of events, so no conclusions can be drawn except that he shot a Caffer with a 10mm and a dead Caffer was located. Nothing more nothing less, how many shots were actually required is unknown, except by those on hand. Claiming the heart was hit without opening up the Caffer is a guess. Pounding your finger into the chest of your guide is arrogance to me personally, then to claim the level of performance provided is not capable by “any” other manufacturer of ammunition is simply paying your SPONSOR. The video only shows a Caffer being hit and a recovered Caffer, what happens in the frames in between is not shown. Trapr There’s been a cloud over this video since it was released. |
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Post by revolvercranker on Aug 2, 2024 19:45:40 GMT -5
What I see is an edited version of events, so no conclusions can be drawn except that he shot a Caffer with a 10mm and a dead Caffer was located. Nothing more nothing less, how many shots were actually required is unknown, except by those on hand. Claiming the heart was hit without opening up the Caffer is a guess. Pounding your finger into the chest of your guide is arrogance to me personally, then to claim the level of performance provided is not capable by “any” other manufacturer of ammunition is simply paying your SPONSOR. The video only shows a Caffer being hit and a recovered Caffer, what happens in the frames in between is not shown. Trapr I'd say you're just jealous. Let's see you do it. You apparently don't know much about Dobbs. I suggest your research him. I'm going to use one of booletdesigners ploy here Trapr. Maybe I was too abrupt. Razon done this years ago. I saw the full complete video and red all the post under it. They aren't going to show you and autopsy in a video, but he did what he said he done. I can't remember about the two bullets, been so long ago. The buff didn't go right down. I think it went 100 yards. He does use a back up PH, he's not totally stupid. |
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Post by bigbrowndog on Aug 2, 2024 20:11:38 GMT -5
For someone that doesn’t really KNOW anything about me you make a bold statement. Your attempt at crawfishing is rather lackluster though. I don’t get jealous over anybody or anything. You first bash boolitdesginerbob, then when I simply state what I see on a video you you take offense. To say you’ve seen the unedited video doesn’t lend any credence to what you posted. Having spent the last 20 years associated with the shooting industry and how things work out on an editing floor I’m aware of how things can be made to look and how things actually happen. As Randy pointed out the act of him taking Caffer with a handgun “cleanly” and without assistance cannot be determined from video of any kind at this point. Regardless of what you claim to have seen or heard, I’ve seen video of aliens, monsters, and all sorts of things it doesn’t make it true.
I am done with this discussion of Mr. Dobbs, let’s return to Reys topic.
Trapr
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Post by handgunhuntingafield on Aug 2, 2024 21:01:32 GMT -5
Wonder where dobb’s went….he disappeared from the hunting/gun world…..🤔
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Post by bigbore5 on Aug 2, 2024 21:06:56 GMT -5
Okay he killed an mbogo with a 10mm. It is a stunt, but that's his nitch. I've seen several killed by rangers with the 9mm duty guns or the 7.62×39 patrol rifles. I've also saw what was left of a Kruger ranger when he tried to finish a vehicle struck buff that had a broken hip. It did die from the gunshot, but after the ranger, not before.
Believe me, I am not hating on the 10mm. When forced into bad neighborhoods, it's what I am carrying. But it is by no means a dangerous game cartridge. Hunters are killed by the Black Death after it soaks up multiple big bore rifle rounds.
I have backed senior ph's on rhino, lion, and an elephant. I've been primary on a few dozen leopard, probably 50+ hippo and crocs. Trust me when I say that when a Cape Buffalo decides to kill the hunter there's no other animal I ever faced that's as tough or mean as them.
On big game, I have not seen any real difference in the 10mm over the 357mag. Most of the hunters we had that used revolvers chose the 44mag with the 454 a close second. Hunters pursuing the big three usually had a 5-shot 45C or the 454. A few had custom 475's as the FA 83 wasn't out then in that cartridge. 41 and 44 mag were popular for the cats, usually loaded with heavy jacketed soft points for leopard. Most used the SSK or NEI heavyweights cast from Lyman #2 or wheel weights. Those were pre-Punch or monometal days.
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Post by bigbore5 on Aug 2, 2024 21:11:57 GMT -5
Wonder where dobb’s went….he disappeared from the hunting/gun world…..🤔 Wouldn't surprise me if he became a grease spot somewhere. |
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