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Post by rayj on Feb 1, 2022 22:19:11 GMT -5
I’m a wee bit envious on your Smith 58. Made a mistake a couple years ago and passed one up😖😖. I’m trying to find another 41 but they are a scarcity for sure! The 45LC is another one but I might just get another OM BH in 357…no complaints at all with these.
Take care
Ray
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Post by crazycarl on Feb 3, 2022 22:29:43 GMT -5
I have no idea what's going on with the revolver market right now. I figured prices on modern, plastic defensive type guns would go nuts with the current situation, but it seems revolver prices have gone nuts. Especially .41 Mag. What is that about? Anachronistic platforms in obscure chamberings enjoying a resurgence? Wide spread, but low key demand for revolvers all along?
Glad I bought my stainless Ruger .41s when they were available or right when they were released, because they seem to be bringing ridiculous money nowadays. Seems .357 Maximums are getting silly, too. I'd been hoping to buy another to have JRH to build me a .414 SM, but at the rate they're going up, I may just sacrifice my Max to scratch my .414 itch & focus on my little collection of .41s.
Seems leverguns have gotten $$$$$, too. That's about all Henry does & it seems they're scarce & a good chunk more than they were just a couple years ago.
I suspect at 52, that I'm an outlier for my age group regarding my preference for "old school" firearms & have no idea what "kids these days" are into. I do have a pile of millennial cousins that are either already into single actions, or planning on becoming so once they round out some of their HD/SD needs.
I do know if I ever aspire to a birth year S&W 57, I need to start saving my pennies now.
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Post by x101airborne on Feb 3, 2022 22:43:44 GMT -5
I have no idea what's going on with the revolver market right now. I figured prices on modern, plastic defensive type guns would go nuts with the current situation, but it seems revolver prices have gone nuts. Especially .41 Mag. What is that about? Anachronistic platforms in obscure chamberings enjoying a resurgence? Wide spread, but low key demand for revolvers all along? Glad I bought my stainless Ruger .41s when they were available or right when they were released, because they seem to be bringing ridiculous money nowadays. Seems .357 Maximums are getting silly, too. I'd been hoping to buy another to have JRH to build me a .414 SM, but at the rate they're going up, I may just sacrifice my Max to scratch my .414 itch & focus on my little collection of .41s. Seems leverguns have gotten $$$$$, too. That's about all Henry does & it seems they're scarce & a good chunk more than they were just a couple years ago. I suspect at 52, that I'm an outlier for my age group regarding my preference for "old school" firearms & have no idea what "kids these days" are into. I do have a pile of millennial cousins that are either already into single actions, or planning on becoming so once they round out some of their HD/SD needs. I do know if I ever aspire to a birth year S&W 57, I need to start saving my pennies now. Im 44 and I carried a semi-auto for years as a Soldier and then a LEO. Now I rarely carry a semi-auto. I think in my mind I relate semi-auto handguns to a time I would rather forget and try to get back to a simpler time, back when I was happy. I still own them, rarely shoot them, but they have their purpose and deserve their respect. I just choose to carry revolvers because I can. Careful starting down the 41 rabbit hole. It can get you caught up and a couple years into it you will look around and go "Where am I again?". Ask me how I know! |
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Post by jeffh on Feb 4, 2022 11:15:41 GMT -5
Twenty (or so) years ago, I got a monthly sale flyer from a shop about an hour away. They had a Glock 21 on sale for $308 and that convinced me that I probably really should have at least one "plastic gun."
I went to the shop and they were hopping - busy, busy, busy. Found a spot at the counter and was eventually asked by an out-of-breath counter-clerk whatchaneed, Bub?" I handed him the cut-out ad for the 21 with the $308 price. He looked at it and dashed off. He returned post-haste and plopped a Ruger box on the counter in front of me and was off before I could say anything. What the heck? I;ll check out this Ruger while I wait for him to come back.
It was an brand new "old" Bisley in 44 Mag, with case-colored frame and decent grips. I fondled that until he cam back and I explained that this was supposed to be a Glock 21. He looked at the picture again and said the stock number was for the Ruger and started to gather it up to put it back. "Not so fast, Bub,"" I said. "how much is the Glock?" $308," he says. I ask "so, how much is the Ruger" "$308, he says."
"RING IT UP!"
That was as close as I've ever come to owning my own "plastic pistol." Nothing against them - I'd have SIX of them if I had the cash to spare, and I'd hide each in a strategic location, get them out twice a year to fire, clean and inspect, and then put them back.
I figured out at that point that I was in one of the two camps and that revolvers, especially SA revolvers, were my preference - "logic" be damned. All the other autos I've had over the years eventually found other homes. The last ones to go were only a few years ago and they were a Kahr CW45 and a RIA Officer's Model 1911 - BOTH excellent guns.
On a personal level, I'll say that I'm BEHIND the curve in that I never expected revolvers, especially SA revolvers to become so rare and difficult to find. I still kick myself in the butt for passing on a 4 5/8" 44 Special New Vaquero at Kentucky Gun just a few years ago. I had always been able to find decent deals on SAs and was complacent. Not that I need one of those right now, but it's one that I dearly wish now I'd snagged.
I think the folks that appreciate SA revolvers are way ahead of the rest of the crowd. I just hope the rest of the crowd wakes up and starts demanding them again, but we're now in a position such that whoever makes them will have the upper hand and we will never see them compete, price-wise, with each other or anything else.
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Post by magnumwheelman on Feb 4, 2022 11:34:36 GMT -5
...AND... maybe we are actually ahead of the curve, because less and less "good" single actions are being made today, ( & unless there is a drastic change ), likely as well in the future... so if our future shooters are interested in one, they are likely to pay way more, & likely get way less quality in the future, if they are buying new... or they are just waiting around for us dinosaurs to die off, so they can experience a fine Single action for themselves... don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE my 1960 El Camino ( the car I bought with the funds from my sell off a couple years ago ) but I'm pretty much kicking myself for selling a couple of the single actions, that I let go, to get the funds to pay cash for the car... to me the car is a sideways investment... it'll likely always be worth more than I paid, & they certainly aren't making those anymore... but thinking pretty much the same could be said for a good single action revolver... just call me T-Rex...  |
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Post by jeffh on Feb 4, 2022 13:15:28 GMT -5
... so if our future shooters are interested in one, they are likely to pay way more, & likely get way less quality in the future, if they are buying new... or they are just waiting around for us dinosaurs to die off, so they can experience a fine Single action for themselves... That's exactly what I'm thinking.
Single-actions always seemed less expensive than (quality) double actions, which seemed to make sense - easier to make, at least to a degree. They also always seemed AFFORDABLE, particularly the Rugers. I don't know how people have been paying for these things over the last ten years. Retail prices of over $1k for "the working mans gun (Ruger)??
I have a feeling that I'll be priced out of that market before it even materializes.
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Post by crazycarl on Feb 4, 2022 13:52:02 GMT -5
... Careful starting down the 41 rabbit hole. It can get you caught up and a couple years into it you will look around and go "Where am I again?". Ask me how I know! Too late! Dove down that rabbit hole years ago  One .41 Mag turned into three, along with a Henry carbine to keep 'em company, then a Clements .41 Special fell in my lap & now my flavor of OCD demands a .414 SM to round out the pack. At least focusing on the .41s keeps me from getting distracted by .327 Fed, .38-40, or something like a .500 Special.  |
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Post by biff on Feb 4, 2022 14:09:48 GMT -5
Twenty (or so) years ago, I got a monthly sale flyer from a shop about an hour away. They had a Glock 21 on sale for $308 and that convinced me that I probably really should have at least one "plastic gun." I went to the shop and they were hopping - busy, busy, busy. Found a spot at the counter and was eventually asked by an out-of-breath counter-clerk whatchaneed, Bub?" I handed him the cut-out ad for the 21 with the $308 price. He looked at it and dashed off. He returned post-haste and plopped a Ruger box on the counter in front of me and was off before I could say anything. What the heck? I;ll check out this Ruger while I wait for him to come back. It was an brand new "old" Bisley in 44 Mag, with case-colored frame and decent grips. I fondled that until he cam back and I explained that this was supposed to be a Glock 21. He looked at the picture again and said the stock number was for the Ruger and started to gather it up to put it back. "Not so fast, Bub,"" I said. "how much is the Glock?" $308," he says. I ask "so, how much is the Ruger" "$308, he says." "RING IT UP!" That was as close as I've ever come to owning my own "plastic pistol." Nothing against them - I'd have SIX of them if I had the cash to spare, and I'd hide each in a strategic location, get them out twice a year to fire, clean and inspect, and then put them back. I figured out at that point that I was in one of the two camps and that revolvers, especially SA revolvers, were my preference - "logic" be damned. All the other autos I've had over the years eventually found other homes. The last ones to go were only a few years ago and they were a Kahr CW45 and a RIA Officer's Model 1911 - BOTH excellent guns. On a personal level, I'll say that I'm BEHIND the curve in that I never expected revolvers, especially SA revolvers to become so rare and difficult to find. I still kick myself in the butt for passing on a 4 5/8" 44 Special New Vaquero at Kentucky Gun just a few years ago. I had always been able to find decent deals on SAs and was complacent. Not that I need one of those right now, but it's one that I dearly wish now I'd snagged. I think the folks that appreciate SA revolvers are way ahead of the rest of the crowd. I just hope the rest of the crowd wakes up and starts demanding them again, but we're now in a position such that whoever makes them will have the upper hand and we will never see them compete, price-wise, with each other or anything else. There are definitely 2 camps. I've thought this out a bunch of times. Both sides are "gun guys", but those who hunt predominantly lean toward the revolvers and those who dont lean toward the "defensive" guns. Theres also a pretty good correlation between autos/town dwellers/2 legged defense, and revolvers/country folk/4 legged defense. My sidearm of choice is almost always a revolver but I do carry my itty bitty keltec p3at in my pocket when I'm headed to a "gunfreezone" |
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Post by rayj on Feb 5, 2022 0:31:42 GMT -5
I carried the 45 & 9mm while doing my time with Uncle for 26 years. No complaints on either one. BUT… the Sigs are going and the SA and a DA or two I hope are coming back home, although not as quickly as I would like. One Sig will stay(239) but the other will be used to bring me back to where I am really comfortable.
Interesting post on semi vs revolver as to where one lives. Being a rural person my needs/perceptions are very different than my in town days. A very interesting and enlightening conversation.
DINOSAURS ROCK!!!
Stay safe and adventure on
Ray
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Post by bigbore5 on Feb 5, 2022 3:34:24 GMT -5
True there's a difference between the country and the cities from a defensive needs perspective. Around the home I'm just as likely to stumble into a bear. Have a few times. I'm also just as likely to stumble onto a meth zombie. That's happening more often.
But I work in the city (Charlotte) right in the biggest black section where most of the so-called "Mostly peaceful" protest seems to happen. But when it's tense, I will pack a plastic pistol, but I also pack the plastic rifle and shotgun in my truck too.
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Post by jeffh on Feb 5, 2022 11:22:58 GMT -5
There are definitely 2 camps...
I can see that in the broad terms, but there many more demographic factors as well, and I see "generation" also being a big influence on this.
Not disagreeing, but to ADD: There is a LOT of overlap, but it seems more from the revolver side than the plastic pistol side. Many, MANY revolver guys (SAs included) also own one or several plastic pistols and respect and appreciate their utility. From the plastic pistol camp, I see, hear of, know many of those folks who are plastic pistol all the way and don't/can't appreciate revolvers, especially SAs at all. Same for rifles - "plastic" all the way and no room for levers or bolt-actions, single-shots, etc., on the plastic pistol side and the converse on the other. This is not a criticism of "lack of tolerance," but an observation, which could even be wrong, because there's little ever t hat's just black and white - I'm generalizing.
GENERALIZATIONS, of course, which may or may not be of any merit.
If I had unlimited resources, nothing to do and three other people to keep track of all the stuff, I'd definitely have several plastic pistols myself, but when it comes down to picking one over the other, it'll be revolvers - and that's where I am right now - narrowing it down and picking a few.
Now, all that said, for me personally, if I had to narrow it down further, given my particular situation/geography/demography/mindset/etc., (which, in combination, are not any large, well-defined or specific camp), if I had to choose between SAs and DAs, it would be DAs, even thought I LIKE SAs more.
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Post by biff on Feb 5, 2022 12:46:39 GMT -5
There are definitely 2 camps...
I can see that in the broad terms, but there many more demographic factors as well, and I see "generation" also being a big influence on this.
Not disagreeing, but to ADD: There is a LOT of overlap, but it seems more from the revolver side than the plastic pistol side. Many, MANY revolver guys (SAs included) also own one or several plastic pistols and respect and appreciate their utility. From the plastic pistol camp, I see, hear of, know many of those folks who are plastic pistol all the way and don't/can't appreciate revolvers, especially SAs at all. Same for rifles - "plastic" all the way and no room for levers or bolt-actions, single-shots, etc., on the plastic pistol side and the converse on the other. This is not a criticism of "lack of tolerance," but an observation, which could even be wrong, because there's little ever t hat's just black and white - I'm generalizing.
GENERALIZATIONS, of course, which may or may not be of any merit.
If I had unlimited resources, nothing to do and three other people to keep track of all the stuff, I'd definitely have several plastic pistols myself, but when it comes down to picking one over the other, it'll be revolvers - and that's where I am right now - narrowing it down and picking a few.
Now, all that said, for me personally, if I had to narrow it down further, given my particular situation/geography/demography/mindset/etc., (which, in combination, are not any large, well-defined or specific camp), if I had to choose between SAs and DAs, it would be DAs, even thought I LIKE SAs more.
100% agree. I am in a little group of guys who do prepper type stuff (no crazy militia bs) and they are all black gun nuts. One of our range days I left my 40 at home and carried a fast draw Vaquero on my hip instead... they laughed and made fun until we got to the first row. I hit 4 of 6 before most got on target. "HOLY $H!T"!! in unison only one of them had even held a single action before and none had ever heard of fast draw. People snicker at "cowboy guns" but I'd take a quick 45 over anything with a slidey top in a short fight. They got us when it's time to reload though! |
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Post by Jamey Worrell on Feb 5, 2022 13:54:50 GMT -5
I have no idea what's going on with the revolver market right now. I figured prices on modern, plastic defensive type guns would go nuts with the current situation, but it seems revolver prices have gone nuts. Especially .41 Mag. What is that about? Anachronistic platforms in obscure chamberings enjoying a resurgence? Wide spread, but low key demand for revolvers all along? Glad I bought my stainless Ruger .41s when they were available or right when they were released, because they seem to be bringing ridiculous money nowadays. Seems .357 Maximums are getting silly, too. I'd been hoping to buy another to have JRH to build me a .414 SM, but at the rate they're going up, I may just sacrifice my Max to scratch my .414 itch & focus on my little collection of .41s. Seems leverguns have gotten $$$$$, too. That's about all Henry does & it seems they're scarce & a good chunk more than they were just a couple years ago. I suspect at 52, that I'm an outlier for my age group regarding my preference for "old school" firearms & have no idea what "kids these days" are into. I do have a pile of millennial cousins that are either already into single actions, or planning on becoming so once they round out some of their HD/SD needs. I do know if I ever aspire to a birth year S&W 57, I need to start saving my pennies now. Soon to be 52 says "Hi, and you're not an outlier  " |
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Post by birdshead2021 on Feb 12, 2022 20:37:28 GMT -5
If I’m a dinosaur I’m ok with it! After 21 years of Army firing semi automatic weapons and fully automatic weapons really have no desire to own any of them! I have come to a place in life that a good single action like my birdshead vaquero with 3.75 barrel in 45 colt is all I want or need!
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Post by birdshead2021 on Feb 12, 2022 20:38:02 GMT -5
If I’m a dinosaur I’m ok with it! After 21 years of Army firing semi automatic weapons and fully automatic weapons really have no desire to own any of them! I have come to a place in life that a good single action like my birdshead vaquero with 3.75 barrel in 45 colt is all I want or need!
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One .41 Mag turned into three, along with a Henry carbine to keep 'em company, then a Clements .41 Special fell in my lap & now my flavor of OCD demands a .414 SM to round out the pack. At least focusing on the .41s keeps me from getting distracted by .327 Fed, .38-40, or something like a .500 Special. 
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