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Post by Encore64 on May 10, 2023 14:30:24 GMT -5
I don’t know about that,…..somewhere in that time period ATF made a “weapons of destruction” statement that anything over .50 was part of. Which is why 50ae is .50 and not the original .510 that it was. Also why we have no new .51’s, everything is .50’s now. Trapr Correct...The 50 AE was originally .510". The pushing contest started over bore vs. groove diameter. Also what axed the Taurus 28 Gauge Revolver...
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Post by mobjack on May 10, 2023 16:33:06 GMT -5
I don’t know about that,…..somewhere in that time period ATF made a “weapons of destruction” statement that anything over .50 was part of. Which is why 50ae is .50 and not the original .510 that it was. Also why we have no new .51’s, everything is .50’s now. Trapr Actually it was the Gun Control Act of 1968 that added the Destructive Device designation, to the National Firearms Act of 1934, and that was to be anything over 50 caliber. Prior to that artillery was just another gun. The .50 BMG with it's 50 caliber bore is not classified as a DD. My understanding with the first Desert Eagles using .510 diameter bullets caused the ATF to balk and Magnum Research "blinked" and used a .500 diameter bullet.
This is from my sometimes flawed memory, but I believe the first 50 caliber DEs were made in Israel and the importation was being blocked on the larger bore. The .500 land diameter verses .510. So the Desert Eagle now takes a .500 bullet. At least that was my understanding.
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Post by pacecars on May 10, 2023 17:39:02 GMT -5
Doesn’t the over .50 only apply to handguns?
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Post by Encore64 on May 10, 2023 17:41:19 GMT -5
Doesn’t the over .50 only apply to handguns? Yes and more specifically only to smokeless powder handguns. One Encore Barrel Manufacturer puts "Black Powder Only" on barrels over 50 Caliber. Laws usually don't make sense...
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Post by iwsbull on May 11, 2023 8:44:55 GMT -5
It might not have gained the popularity that it deserved but you have people out there like Reeder that has about 50 different wildcat rounds so it would probably be less popular and named differently.
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Post by pacecars on May 11, 2023 9:24:36 GMT -5
I would like to see a T/C Contender with a 14” 28 ga barrel with interchangeable chokes. To make it an AOW make a forend that has a fold down grip within the forend. $5 tax stamp and you have the ultimate Turkey pistol. I would make the fold down foregrip so it is concealed in the stock. It would be like the Serbu shorty
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Post by mobjack on May 11, 2023 19:01:25 GMT -5
Doesn’t the over .50 only apply to handguns? The over .50 applies to all modern firearms, pistols and rifles. The Boys .55 caliber anti tank rifles are destructive devices, but the ones re-barreled to .50 BMG are not. There is an exemption for shotguns. Except for the Street Sweeper and Striker type guns, thanks to Lloyd Bentsen. He labeled them Destructive Devices because they were scary.
Antiques (before 1899) or muzzle loading guns are not included in the NFA. Pre-1899 machine guns though are covered by the NFA. Some of the large African calibers are exempt due to having "sporting" use. You won't find any .55 Alaskans or any new gun over .50. The Taurus revolver in 28 gauge that was shown at a SHOT Show, died because it was over .50. If the barrel was rifled it would be a DD, and if smooth bore a short barreled shotgun. Either way the gun was a no-go.
I hope my rambling makes sense, because the gun laws don't.
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Post by pacecars on May 11, 2023 19:23:47 GMT -5
But the modern .700 Nitro Express does not fall under that and it is a totally modern construct
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Post by Encore64 on May 11, 2023 19:28:55 GMT -5
But the modern .700 Nitro Express does not fall under that and it is a totally modern construct Correct, it applies to smokeless handguns and non sporting arms (I think). Same reason you can buy bigger bore black powder handguns, rifled shotguns 20 Gauge up, 577, 600, 700 Nitro and so on... Ditto on the 577 Tyrannosaur and 585 Nyati...
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Post by sgtduncan on Jun 3, 2023 8:22:38 GMT -5
The Ruger #3 finally arrived a couple weeks back, rested the required 10 days (plus a couple more due to the holiday) and is now waiting patiently to be transported to Jack Huntington on June 10th for modifications to be reborn as a .480 carbine.
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Post by cdf41 on Jun 4, 2023 16:25:46 GMT -5
That 28 Guage revolver would have been a Hoot to shoot!
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Post by Encore64 on Jun 4, 2023 16:42:55 GMT -5
The Ruger #3 finally arrived a couple weeks back, rested the required 10 days (plus a couple more due to the holiday) and is now waiting patiently to be transported to Jack Huntington on June 10th for modifications to be reborn as a .480 carbine. Sounds fantastic. He's kept me posted and my JRH #3 in 256 Winchester is nearing completion. Look forward to seeing and hearing about your 480 Ruger. There were a couple of runs of Ruger #1s in 475 Linebaugh. They are an absolute hammer!!! I bought 700 Hornady 325 grn XTPs from Midway as Blem Bullets. Got them hoarded back as they're no longer available...
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Post by bula on Jun 4, 2023 16:43:29 GMT -5
Sorry for the thread divergence, but, a 20ga Howdah that takes current ammo.... but back on track, how many 475 Spec., are currently running wild now ? What are y'all using them for ?
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Post by bula on Jun 6, 2023 7:17:11 GMT -5
In that bore, I've had 3 480's, now down to 2. Loads for them have been, what the 475Spec can do, to crowding the 475L. Missouri bullet/cci350/8.2grs of TB, to the big 385gr HP from subsonic to beyond 1200fps. So what you guys have to say about the 475Spec is of interest. Lighter bullets and loads. A real use for that Speer 275gr HP now, for instance. The lighter MIHA HP ?
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Post by sgtduncan on Jul 2, 2023 11:41:57 GMT -5
I don’t have a chronograph (my bad) so I can’t give any figures as to ‘feet per second’ but I can say this mid frame five shot .475 Spec is much more pleasant to shoot than the “factory SBH” using “factory loaded ammunition”. I have loaded a few different loadings using cut down .475 Linebaugh brass (to avoid mix ups between empty special brass and empty .480 brass). So far, I’ve loaded 325 grain XTP HP over 7.5 grains Tite Group & CCI 300 primers. Also 375 grain WLN GC Montana Bullet Works over 2400 from 16 grains up to 17.5 grains & CCI 300s. Definitely stout but I like ‘em. Next purchase will probably be a decent chronograph (any suggestions?)
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