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Post by magnumwheelman on Feb 16, 2016 16:34:51 GMT -5
...in going through the coffee can of 45 Colt cases that AXE sent me, I ran across 10-12 cases with headstamps I've not seen before they said..." Tombstone" across the top, & "45 LC" on the bottom... I wasn't really trying to start a "Long Colt" war... curious if anyone knows who / where the Tombstone headstamp cases came from... a quick internet search didn't turn up anything positive
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Post by magnumwheelman on Feb 16, 2016 16:46:07 GMT -5
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Post by squawberryman on Feb 16, 2016 17:49:03 GMT -5
If Martha Stewart says her pajamas are pajamas....
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Post by ProGun on Feb 16, 2016 20:51:41 GMT -5
Well I'll be. That's pretty daggumm definitive.
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Post by nolongcolt on Feb 16, 2016 21:40:13 GMT -5
Don't mean much in my view. The new made brass can headstamp whatever they please. I have seen some foreign guns with LC on them too. That Colt letter means nothing either. If it was a 100 or so years old, then sure. It aint. Just means some drone at Colt has heard LC so many times he repeated it. Doesn't make it accurate.
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Post by magnumwheelman on Feb 16, 2016 22:28:33 GMT -5
Sheesh guys... I'm sorry... I just wanted to know who made the brass... wasn't wanting to open old wounds
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Post by nolongcolt on Feb 16, 2016 22:38:18 GMT -5
Why do you say that? What old wounds? No big deal.
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Post by Paden on Feb 16, 2016 22:56:47 GMT -5
Originally, no "long Colt"; only ".45 Colt", and ".45 Colt Government" which was shorter. Don't take much imagination to figure fellas almost immediately began referring to them as "long" and "short" to distinguish. Easier to say "gimme the long ones", than to say "gimme the .45 Colts, not the .45 Colt Govmnt's"...
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 17, 2016 1:52:32 GMT -5
Originally, no "long Colt"; only ".45 Colt", and ".45 Colt Government" which was shorter. Neither wore headstamps. Don't take much imagination to figure fellas almost immediately began referring to them as "long" and "short" to distinguish. Easier to say "gimme the long ones", than to say "gimme the .45 Colts, not the .45 Colt Govmnt's"... I agree completely. This was done many times and many different ways. The 32 WCF was later called the 32-20 to distinguish it from later 32 caliber offerings from Winchester. The brass we buy now is labeled 32-20 regardless of what it's original name was. So, to me at least, the labels of "Colt" and later "Long Colt" are just part of handgun history. Like it or not, "Long Colt" was, is, and likely to be used for years to come.
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Post by Paden on Feb 17, 2016 2:46:58 GMT -5
Personally, I prefer to say ".45 Colt". The .45 Colt Government is long extinct, and so too the need to distinguish the .45 Colt from it's pint-sized variant. Why insert extraneous verbiage to the nomenclature when the original, proper name is completely adequate?
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 17, 2016 3:01:41 GMT -5
I agree. Was recently asked about a custom gun I was having built. I was told it could be marked either way and opted for 45 Colt.
But, as clearly shown above the Long Colt moniker was used during the cartridges history.
To say that the Colt company who originally introduced this cartridge was wrong is simple denial.
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Post by Paden on Feb 17, 2016 4:28:12 GMT -5
To say that the Colt company who originally introduced this cartridge was wrong is simple denial. I'm no expert. Far from it. But I don't believe it quite so simple. My understanding, in a nut shell, is that originally there was the .45 Colt revolver chambered for the .45 Colt balloon head cartridge. And there was the Schofield revolver chambered for a shorter .45 caliber balloon head cartridge.... Circa 1873 the US Army adopted the Colt as it's official sidearm. Circa 1874/5 S&W also got a contract to supply the Army with several thousand revolvers (which were chambered for the shorter .45 Schofield). Uh-oh, now the Army was faced with a problem because they had two different .45 caliber guns in service, with different length chambers (SNAFU!). To solve the problem, the Army standardized on the shorter cartridge which would work in both guns. Simultaneously, somewhere along this timeline the evolution from balloon head cartridges to solid head rimmed center fire cartridges occurred; the .45 Schofield balloon head became the centerfire .45 Schofield (and had a rim diameter somewhat larger than the Colt); the short standardized Army cartridge became the .45 Colt Government (with the same rim diameter as the longer original .45 Colt, but the short length of the Schofield). Thus there became two .45 Colt cartridges, both having the same rim diameter and dimensions, save for length; the original .45 Colt, and the shorter .45 Colt Government. Both the .45 Colt and the .45 Colt Government cartridges were always headstamped ".45 Colt"; there has never been a "long" or "short" headstamp, nor any such nomenclature on any box labeling as far as I have ever seen/read. Undoubtedly, once the two cartridges became available to the civilian market it would have only been natural for civilian consumers to distinguish between the two by referring to them as "long" and "short". This would seem all the more plausible given that the terms "long" and "short" were by that time already in common use, as there were (officially) long and short versions of other Colt cartridges in use (.32, .38, and .41). But neither Colt nor any of the early cartridge manufacturers ever labeled the .45 cartridge as long or short; only ".45 Colt" and ".45 Colt Government". Only in more modern times has the "long" Colt label come into vogue. (Seems silly).
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 17, 2016 4:49:07 GMT -5
Agreed. But, as the old saying goes, "a picture is worth a thousand words."
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Post by majorKAP on Feb 17, 2016 9:26:16 GMT -5
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Post by nolongcolt on Feb 17, 2016 11:14:48 GMT -5
Just because something becomes common usage does not make it correct. Look how many people say, "I could care less", when what they meant to say is, "I couldn't care less", to signify an absolute lack of care. Or people who say, "irregardless". No such word. I note too that at least one custom gun maker uses the LC, Gary Reeder.
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