shorty500
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too many dirty harry movies created me!
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Post by shorty500 on Jan 26, 2024 20:46:55 GMT -5
It’s pretty well been stated but the the issue with any S&W .45 Colt (please don’t take me wrong either cuz I am a S&W fan) is not cylinder strength, trust me I’ve shoot both intentionally and by “accident” loads that typically would never be recommended. While some lay blame at the frame isn’t heavy enough etc etc, the real issue is the lock up & lock work just can’t take the pounding. I personally would shoot any “Ruger Only” or John Linebaugh recommended load in a S&W that I considered safe to be fired but would reserve such loads for sighting in and huntin* shots ONLY! Despite a severe and as an old toolmaker I sincerely do mean SEVERE variation in throat and chamber variations- I’ve been lucky I guess. I’ve owned various variations from a 1950 target, 1955 target, a few m25-5, as well as m625s etc etc. All I had shoot well given 1 important thing- I always carefully matched my bullet diameter to the throat diameter, alloy hardness sometimes needed to be adjusted to fit a particular gun/velocity/projectile combination etc but mild to wild they always shot great provided PROJECTILE/THROAT Fit
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Post by revolvercranker on Jan 26, 2024 21:20:31 GMT -5
It’s pretty well been stated but the the issue with any S&W .45 Colt (please don’t take me wrong either cuz I am a S&W fan) is not cylinder strength, trust me I’ve shoot both intentionally and by “accident” loads that typically would never be recommended. While some lay blame at the frame isn’t heavy enough etc etc, the real issue is the lock up & lock work just can’t take the pounding. I personally would shoot any “Ruger Only” or John Linebaugh recommended load in a S&W that I considered safe to be fired but would reserve such loads for sighting in and huntin* shots ONLY! Despite a severe and as an old toolmaker I sincerely do mean SEVERE variation in throat and chamber variations- I’ve been lucky I guess. I’ve owned various variations from a 1950 target, 1955 target, a few m25-5, as well as m625s etc etc. All I had shoot well given 1 important thing- I always carefully matched my bullet diameter to the throat diameter, alloy hardness sometimes needed to be adjusted to fit a particular gun/velocity/projectile combination etc but mild to wild they always shot great provided PROJECTILE/THROAT Fit If you have fat or oversized CHAMBERS ,and you want to shoot those hotter loads, the best thing you could do is neck size you 45 Colt cases. This way you a more tight fit of the case to the chamber. The throat mainly has to do with bullet alignment.
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Post by wilecoyote on Jan 26, 2024 21:51:14 GMT -5
...an intermediate way can be full sizing the cases with a lee factory carbide crimp die that has the crimp bushing removed: it will work like a mild full sizer, thanks to the carbide insert only_ as this does not always guarantee adequate neck tension, then partial=neck sizing only, with a proper sizer, then mouth swaging_ only my 2c._
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Jan 26, 2024 21:51:51 GMT -5
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Post by marlin35 on Jan 26, 2024 21:51:51 GMT -5
Thanks to both of you for the tips. My Ruger has been very forgiving to reload for, especially after I reamed the throats. I expect that with all of the information gleaned from this thread and some trigger time I will learn much more about tailoring loads to specific guns of a same caliber.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Jan 26, 2024 22:22:20 GMT -5
Once again, counting my chicks before the eggs go to hatching..does 2dogs make sights for Model 25’s? Yes Sir.
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S&W 25-5
Jan 26, 2024 22:48:16 GMT -5
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Post by marlin35 on Jan 26, 2024 22:48:16 GMT -5
Once again, counting my chicks before the eggs go to hatching..does 2dogs make sights for Model 25’s? Yes Sir. Perfect, I look forward to giving you my business.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Jan 26, 2024 23:30:31 GMT -5
Perfect, I look forward to giving you my business. Very good. Call me directly. Fermin 361/960-3697
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Post by revolvercranker on Jan 26, 2024 23:31:19 GMT -5
Thanks to both of you for the tips. My Ruger has been very forgiving to reload for, especially after I reamed the throats. I expect that with all of the information gleaned from this thread and some trigger time I will learn much more about tailoring loads to specific guns of a same caliber. Here's another tip to get the 45-70 to shoot like a target rifle. Just neck size it too and shoot the fastest cast bullet it will chamber which is going to around .462. Not going to tell you all how my 1886 Browning Winchester shoots with iron sights at 400 yards because I would get laughed at. How hell of a lot easier on the 45-70 brass.
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kooz
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Post by kooz on Jan 27, 2024 10:03:59 GMT -5
Well, not to piss on anyones post toaties, but this thread is getting a bit silly , like a lot of these topics sometimes do . There is a point where things get talked/speculated to death .
If you have a 25-13 on the way and it is good condition and no one has fooled with it , I would expect it to shoot excellent . You will not know until you shoot it . That gun is durable and will last you a lifetime if used with sensible loads .
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Jan 27, 2024 11:28:46 GMT -5
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Post by marlin35 on Jan 27, 2024 11:28:46 GMT -5
Might be a stupid question..but here goes..can auto rim brass be fired in a M25 without modification? Or is the rim too thick?
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Post by Encore64 on Jan 27, 2024 11:46:20 GMT -5
Rim is far too thick if chambered in 45 Colt. Now, the S&W 25 45 ACP will fire 45 Auto Rim and 45 ACP with or without moon clips...
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Odin
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Post by Odin on Jan 27, 2024 11:51:20 GMT -5
Might be a stupid question..but here goes..can auto rim brass be fired in a M25 without modification? Or is the rim too thick? You are correct, the rim is too thick to use Auto Rim brass. AR brass was designed to be used in M1917 revolvers chambered in 45ACP which utilized moon clips to hold the cases, as the ejector star has nothing to push against with the rimless ACP case. You can, however use Starline 45 Cowboy brass, which is simply 45 Colt brass cut to 45ACP length. The benefit to the handloader with both Cowboy and AR brass is the ability to utilize bullets with a crimp groove, as the case doesn't headspace (seat) on the case mouth, but instead on the rim.
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Post by ridenshoot on Jan 27, 2024 12:08:31 GMT -5
Are the new production model 25’s any good? I am itching for a double action 45 colt and it’s slim pickins. Any other quality (and accessible) alternative recommendations are welcome as well. I picked this up yesterday at a LGS, Model 25-15, been looking at it in the shop for quite awhile. Worked 23 hours of OT out in the rain, snow and wind this week and felt like I needed to reward myself. Too worn out to shoot it today, however, I'm hoping a day off and maybe a nap will help me find the energy to give it a go tomorrow. I'll post up the results once I've taken it out.
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S&W 25-5
Jan 27, 2024 12:32:55 GMT -5
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Post by Encore64 on Jan 27, 2024 12:32:55 GMT -5
Are the new production model 25’s any good? I am itching for a double action 45 colt and it’s slim pickins. Any other quality (and accessible) alternative recommendations are welcome as well. I picked this up yesterday at a LGS, Model 25-15, been looking at it in the shop for quite awhile. Worked 23 hours of OT out in the rain, snow and wind this week and felt like I needed to reward myself. Too worn out to shoot it today, however, I'm hoping a day off and maybe a nap will help me find the energy to give it a go tomorrow. I'll post up the results once I've taken it out. Wonderful Choice!!! I hope it's built like mine. Great tolerances and dimensions. Keep us posted and CONGRATULATIONS...
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S&W 25-5
Jan 27, 2024 12:33:34 GMT -5
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Post by marlin35 on Jan 27, 2024 12:33:34 GMT -5
Are the new production model 25’s any good? I am itching for a double action 45 colt and it’s slim pickins. Any other quality (and accessible) alternative recommendations are welcome as well. I picked this up yesterday at a LGS, Model 25-15, been looking at it in the shop for quite awhile. Worked 23 hours of OT out in the rain, snow and wind this week and felt like I needed to reward myself. Too worn out to shoot it today, however, I'm hoping a day off and maybe a nap will help me find the energy to give it a go tomorrow. I'll post up the results once I've taken it out. Looks like the perfect reward for some hard time served.
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