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Post by bigbore5 on May 27, 2023 9:07:56 GMT -5
As far as a one bullet for a wide disparity of velocities and game. I’ll be playing with some 300 Swift AF from various velocity levels in the next few weeks. I’m not sure what lower level would still give good performance from the AF, that is one of the things I liked about the old Nosler Partitions they were soft in front and the bases hung together for penetration. I’m hoping the AF behaves the same, up to now I’ve only pushed them above 1400fps at the muzzle, and used other non premium bullets for lesser speeds, XTP, Speer, Sierra, etc. Trying them at 1100-1200fps will prove interesting, will they expand a little and penetrate well??? Not expand and penetrate well??? Trapr If they only "expand a little and penetrate well" I think I would just find a wide meplat bullet for less than the premium price. Most my 45 loads are in the 1100fps range. I only shoot cast in the 45 and haven't recovered one yet. WFNs kill fast. On deer I do use hp bullets, but they don't stay in our smaller deer here either. Looks like they expand judging by the softball size exits and DRT ones I have shot. |
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Post by bigbrowndog on May 27, 2023 9:50:38 GMT -5
BigBore5, I would agree if they didn’t expand and only penetrated well. Otherwise ill just stick with what I’m doing and use the XTP/mag, Speer, or Sierra, or look for a cast HP in the 270-280gr range.
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Post by rickiesrevenge on May 27, 2023 10:27:25 GMT -5
So you're taking your FA on that goat hunt right??? Hopefully this is going to be my year for a revolver goat. I've tried it a couple times in the past, just didn't work out. Hell yes, that’s the plan. Just gotta get my shooting technique and load sorted, but I’m going to give it all I got. Are you in BC, or AK? Or did you draw a tag elsewhere? Would love to hear your tale I live in Alaska. Can get a goat tag OTC every year. The first time I took a revolver was a bfr 454. Boat ride 30 miles, then mountain bikes about 8 or 9 miles up an old logging road. Then hiked in from there. Probably another 5 or 6 miles through the brush. We found goats. Weather didnt workout with the time we had. Next time was a March hunt on Kodiak. The goal was for my buddy to get one first since he'd never hunted them. Lots of snow that year. Weather worked pretty well until we got his goat out. Then it warmed up way too much and made the snow too soft. Wasn't freezing solid at night anymore, so we couldn't get around. Too steep for snow shoes. Got to about 275 yards from a small billy. Not close enough for me. |
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Post by wyomingnimrod on May 27, 2023 11:38:44 GMT -5
Wishing you the best of luck, Rickie. Third time’s the charm, you’ve more than paid your dues. Let us all know how revolver goat tastes.
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Post by sixshot on May 28, 2023 2:49:44 GMT -5
In the winter you can drive over by Alpine where the river comes out of the canyon into Palisades reservoir & the Goats will be right down on the highway eating the salt. Before my buddy died we used to watch them from the back deck of his cabin with the spotting scope, wasn't hard to see at least 10-15 Goats.
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Post by Snyd on May 28, 2023 10:04:36 GMT -5
Hell yes, that’s the plan. Just gotta get my shooting technique and load sorted, but I’m going to give it all I got. Are you in BC, or AK? Or did you draw a tag elsewhere? Would love to hear your tale I live in Alaska. Can get a goat tag OTC every year. The first time I took a revolver was a bfr 454. Boat ride 30 miles, then mountain bikes about 8 or 9 miles up an old logging road. Then hiked in from there. Probably another 5 or 6 miles through the brush. We found goats. Weather didnt workout with the time we had. Next time was a March hunt on Kodiak. The goal was for my buddy to get one first since he'd never hunted them. Lots of snow that year. Weather worked pretty well until we got his goat out. Then it warmed up way too much and made the snow too soft. Wasn't freezing solid at night anymore, so we couldn't get around. Too steep for snow shoes. Got to about 275 yards from a small billy. Not close enough for me. Great thread you guys. Welcome wyomingnimrod! You probably have some neighbors on this forum! Ya, Rickie, I hope you get a shot at a goat this year! It took me three hunts to get a Ram with my FA 454. You can do it! A few years back I was with 4 other guys hunting Kodiak in Nov. One guy had a bear tag. They were all rifle hunters, I was packing the 45 Colt Bisley Hunter with 2X Weaver on it, 355gr wfns 1220fps. After getting our 15 deer and one bear another guy and I went after the goats. We got to 250ish yards and well, he was packing his 338. With the terrain I think it would have been possible for me to get within 100yds but he was pretty antsy to shoot one so he did. It sure was a blast hunting those little blacktails though! |
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Post by Snyd on May 28, 2023 10:50:37 GMT -5
Oh, to answer the question of the thread.... Yes!
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Post by wyomingnimrod on May 28, 2023 11:01:04 GMT -5
In the winter you can drive over by Alpine where the river comes out of the canyon into Palisades reservoir & the Goats will be right down on the highway eating the salt. Before my buddy died we used to watch them from the back deck of his cabin with the spotting scope, wasn't hard to see at least 10-15 Goats. Dick You’re absolutely right, Sixgun. It is a real treat to see here. Sometimes such a treat that you have put on your hazard lights and slow down to avoid filling a once-in-lifetime tag with your front bumper. |
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Post by wyomingnimrod on May 28, 2023 11:43:18 GMT -5
Oh, to answer the question of the thread.... Yes! So far no one has voted “no.” I knew how you’d vote, Snyd! Thanks for introducing me to the forum and the gents here. You’re the guy who has most inspired me to go down the FA rabbit hole and to seriously consider handgun hunting. Thank you, sir |
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Post by bigbore5 on May 28, 2023 21:20:20 GMT -5
The only reason I didn't vote no was because of the weapons you specifically stated.
The little 97 is a fine tool with standard weight bullets, but will not handle the heavy loads.
The 83 will handle the big and nasties, but isn't as great a walking around size.
If both guns were the same size, such as a Blackhawk, I would say no. Get a 45 and a 480.
In fact I believe you would be better off with a 475 in the 83. Or better still, a 500JRH on a Wyoming gun. Keep the Wyoming resale premium plus the baby Linebaugh to shoot. And yes the JRH is a kinda baby Linebaugh.
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Post by wyomingnimrod on May 29, 2023 9:29:59 GMT -5
The only reason I didn't vote no was because of the weapons you specifically stated. The little 97 is a fine tool with standard weight bullets, but will not handle the heavy loads. The 83 will handle the big and nasties, but isn't as great a walking around size. If both guns were the same size, such as a Blackhawk, I would say no. Get a 45 and a 480. In fact I believe you would be better off with a 475 in the 83. Or better still, a 500JRH on a Wyoming gun. Keep the Wyoming resale premium plus the baby Linebaugh to shoot. And yes the JRH is a kinda baby Linebaugh. Thanks, Bigbore, for the alternative viewpoint. The single action bug has bit me and I have quietly concluded that I’d need to add a Blackhawk .45 Colt to the collection for heavier loads as well as a .480 Bisley for the hell of it. Being that I am a greenhorn on the handloading I thought long and hard but opted out if ordering my 83 in .475 Linebaugh because of the lack and price of factory ammo and felt that I’d have a hard time getting the initial experience behind the gun that I need. Though an 83 in .475 Linebaugh would be a really cool way to pay homage to Wyoming legends Casull, Baker, and Linebaugh all at once. The 500JRH cylinder on a .500 WE 83 is an interesting thought but I feel would be a run ing before walking proposition for this dude. I also am attracted to expanding the collection beyond FA and going into the Ruger realm for the simple facts that as I develop as a handloader there shouldn’t be any strength or cylinder length restrictions (like the 97’s 1.6” restriction) and I’d have the advantage of their safety system which would allow for the confident carrying of a full cylinder, unlike the 83. Perhaps, what that means, is a Ruger Super Blackhawk Bisley in .475 Linebaugh (would I need someone like Bowen to convert that for me or do you guys have other recommendations; I don’t think they made a factory offering did they?). And I have gone down the confusing rabbit hole lately of researching Ruger’s frame sizes and cylinder lengths/strengths lately and have concluded (hopefully correctly) that the current New Model Blackhawk is a large frame Ruger with the full length cylinder that would allow for Ruger-Only strength/length .45 Colt loads to be used. Please advise me if I am right or wrong in that assessment, as it is critical to the future purchase and usage of one for the loads that the 97 is not made for. Thanks so much. |
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Post by bigbore5 on May 29, 2023 17:45:02 GMT -5
Shooting 325's out of a 475/480 at 1000 feels like a 325 out of a 45 at 1000.
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Post by wyomingnimrod on May 30, 2023 20:02:09 GMT -5
Shooting 325's out of a 475/480 at 1000 feels like a 325 out of a 45 at 1000. So same weight projectiles feel the same out of the listed cartridges when fired at the same velocity (presumably in similar firearms)? |
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Post by bigbore5 on May 30, 2023 20:32:05 GMT -5
When they are similar in size, it's hard to feel the difference. But up the bore to a 500 and the recoil will feel less.
Yes I know the physics. They produce the same energy. However it's the duration of the impulse that changes.
To achieve the same velocity, the smaller cartridge must develop more pressure over a smaller amount of time. The pressure has less area to act upon to do the same amount of work basically, so the pressure is higher.
Higher pressure in a smaller area also exerts rearward acceleration in a more rapid impulse. This is why the big bores seem to recoil less. Rather than a high velocity punch, it's a slower rolling recoil.
That's not to say it's not big recoil still, the same total energy is being produced. It's just more spread out time wise due to being a lower pressure wave.
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Post by wyomingnimrod on May 30, 2023 20:43:04 GMT -5
When they are similar in size, it's hard to feel the difference. But up the bore to a 500 and the recoil will feel less. Yes I know the physics. They produce the same energy. However it's the duration of the impulse that changes. To achieve the same velocity, the smaller cartridge must develop more pressure over a smaller amount of time. The pressure has less area to act upon to do the same amount of work basically, so the pressure is higher. Higher pressure in a smaller area also exerts rearward acceleration in a more rapid impulse. This is why the big bores seem to recoil less. Rather than a high velocity punch, it's a slower rolling recoil. That's not to say it's not big recoil still, the same total energy is being produced. It's just more spread out time wise due to being a lower pressure wave. That makes sense. So would most agree that a .475 Linebaugh in a FA or similar single action will produce less felt recoil than the same size/type gun firing .454 Casull in general? Or is that way too broad to answer given the wide range of loadings? I’ve actually had a hard time finding a general consensus on this issue. |
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