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Post by 45MAN on May 26, 2023 6:27:04 GMT -5
WHEN YOU START TALKING BULLETS FOR 45 COLT AND 454, AT DIFFERENT VELOCITIES, FOR USE ON DIFFERENT GAME AT DIFFERING RANGES, YOU OPEN A PANDORA's BOX. THERE ARE BULLETS THAT WILL WORK FINE IN "RUGER ONLY LOADS" @ 75 YARDS AND IN THAT MAY BE PISS POOR IN 454 LEVEL LOADS. NOT NOW, BUT I WILL BE SHARING SOME OF MY BULLET EXPERIENCES. BUT WHEN COMMENTING ON BULLETS THE COMMENT SHOULD INCLUDE FOR USE IN RUGER ONLY LOADS OR 454 LOADS AND FOR WHAT GAME.
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Post by bearskinner on May 26, 2023 8:07:35 GMT -5
Very true Rey, I use mostly the lighter 255-270 Cast and light XTP or gold dots, etc. In S&W and SA 45 Colt plinking loads. I cast my own 300 grain GC’s for ruger only loads, and add in Sierra, XTP mag, and Swift 300’s. I stick with premium jacketed bullets at 454 velocities. My overall “Go to” bullet on big game is the Sierra 8830 “Soft Point” that is extremely tough. They destroy Big Bears, Alaskan Moose, Bison, Cape Buffalo. I’ve never had one fail ( blow apart) I’ve even recovered a couple, reloaded them, and shot them again. Also the most accurate bullet I’ve ever shot in my 454, although the swift 300 HP stacks right on top of them. Mono metal bullets really penetrate well, just a little larger grouping.
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Post by wyomingnimrod on May 26, 2023 9:26:52 GMT -5
WHEN YOU START TALKING BULLETS FOR 45 COLT AND 454, AT DIFFERENT VELOCITIES, FOR USE ON DIFFERENT GAME AT DIFFERING RANGES, YOU OPEN A PANDORA's BOX. THERE ARE BULLETS THAT WILL WORK FINE IN "RUGER ONLY LOADS" @ 75 YARDS AND IN THAT MAY BE PISS POOR IN 454 LEVEL LOADS. NOT KNOW, BUT I WILL BE SHARING SOME OF MY BULLET EXPERIENCES. BUT WHEN COMMENTING ON BULLETS THE COMMENT SHOULD INCLUDE FOR USE IN RUGER ONLY LOADS OR 454 LOADS AND FOR WHAT GAME. Thanks, Rey, so it sounds like there is no Panacea for across-the-board performance. And that it is best to experiment for accuracy. Bearskinner has mentioned that Speer 300gr bullet a couple times and it has me intrigued. Would that be suitable for use with moderate loads in the FA 97 .45 Colt and could it be used in place of a hard cast for the same tasks (big game ie elk and bear at 100yds and in as well as bear defense load)? I’d love to buy a stash of one bullet and get to work figuring out a good middle child load, unless that sounds naive |
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Post by 45MAN on May 26, 2023 9:43:03 GMT -5
Bearskinner REFERS TO THE 300gr SIERRA BULLET NOT THE SPEER BULLET. SIERRA HAS NOT MADE ANY IN QUITE A WHILE BUT LOOKS LIKE SIERRA IS CATCHING UP AND HOPEFULLY THEY WILL BE AVAILABLE SOON.
THE SIERRA 300gr #8830 BULLETS REMIND ME A LOT OF THE FA 300gr BULLETS. BASED UPON MY EXPERIENCES WITH OTHER BULLETS, AND RELYING ON Bearskinner's EXPERIENCES, THAT SIERRA 300gr BULLET MAY BE AN EXCELLENT ALL AROUND BULLET IN BOTH RUGER ONLY 45 COLT LOADS AND 454 LOADS.
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Post by wyomingnimrod on May 26, 2023 9:54:31 GMT -5
Bearskinner REFERS TO THE 300gr SIERRA BULLET NOT THE SPEER BULLET. SIERRA HAS NOT MADE ANY IN QUITE A WHILE BUT LOOKS LIKE SIERRA IS CATCHING UP AND HOPEFULLY THEY WILL BE AVAILABLE SOON. THE SIERRA 300gr #8830 BULLETS REMIND ME A LOT OF THE FA 300gr BULLETS. BASED UPON MY EXPERIENCES WITH OTHER BULLETS, AND RELYING ON Bearskinner's EXPERIENCES, THAT SIERRA 300gr BULLET MAY BE AN EXCELLENT ALL AROUND BULLET IN BOTH RUGER ONLY 45 COLT LOADS AND 454 LOADS. Thank you, Rey, for catching that, I misspoke. Sierra. Yes sir, I’ve been looking everywhere but coming up empty handed. Makes sense then that they aren’t available currently. I don’t want to hijack this thread anymore than I already have so perhaps I should start a new one in order to solicit further advice regarding shooting and practice techniques to build skills for a novice such as myself. |
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Post by bigbrowndog on May 26, 2023 10:08:01 GMT -5
As far as a one bullet for a wide disparity of velocities and game. I’ll be playing with some 300 Swift AF from various velocity levels in the next few weeks. I’m not sure what lower level would still give good performance from the AF, that is one of the things I liked about the old Nosler Partitions they were soft in front and the bases hung together for penetration. I’m hoping the AF behaves the same, up to now I’ve only pushed them above 1400fps at the muzzle, and used other non premium bullets for lesser speeds, XTP, Speer, Sierra, etc. Trying them at 1100-1200fps will prove interesting, will they expand a little and penetrate well??? Not expand and penetrate well???
Trapr
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Post by 45MAN on May 26, 2023 11:27:22 GMT -5
As far as a one bullet for a wide disparity of velocities and game. I’ll be playing with some 300 Swift AF from various velocity levels in the next few weeks. I’m not sure what lower level would still give good performance from the AF, that is one of the things I liked about the old Nosler Partitions they were soft in front and the bases hung together for penetration. I’m hoping the AF behaves the same, up to now I’ve only pushed them above 1400fps at the muzzle, and used other non premium bullets for lesser speeds, XTP, Speer, Sierra, etc. Trying them at 1100-1200fps will prove interesting, will they expand a little and penetrate well??? Not expand and penetrate well??? Trapr "I THINK" THEY WILL EXPAND WELL. BUT NOT TO FORGET THAT EXPANSION CAN IMPEDE PENETRATION, INTERESTED IN SEEING HOW A 300gr A-F 45 BULLET PENETRATES AT 1,100-1,200fps MV. THANK THE GOOD LORD I HAVE HUNDREDS OF THE 300gr A-F 45 BULLETS 'cuz THEY ARE PRICEY. |
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Post by bigbrowndog on May 26, 2023 12:23:05 GMT -5
Me too my friend me too……..otherwise this playing with them wouldn’t happen.
Trapr
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Post by wyomingnimrod on May 26, 2023 13:20:45 GMT -5
Interested to see what your experiments yield with the A-Frames, Trapr.
For someone just starting out, what would be a reasonably “affordable” (if such a thing exists) tough versatile hard cast or jacketed bullet to begin the handloading and hunting journey with at FA 97/SAAMI COAL 1.6” and associated velocities?
And do you suggest purchasing H110 or something else? And same question with primers? I know this is super basic for you guys but I am at the first leg of the journey and starting at zero. Technically I own 1lb of H110, no primers, cases, or projectiles yet. Thank you all…
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Post by jfs on May 26, 2023 14:47:14 GMT -5
Actually that axis was shot with that 454 now that you mention it. 260 FA bullet at 1890 was the load it ran a lot of the time or a 300 XTP mag at 1620. The 260 at almost 1900 is a fast recoiling load from that gun but it’s effective for deer size critters for sure.  Recovered 260 Moose heart after 260 |
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Post by bigbrowndog on May 26, 2023 15:32:36 GMT -5
I use H110/W296 for my top end loads in 45LC/454C, I also use CCI LPMag primers that’s it, I do not use any other primers for my top end loads in my big bore handguns. If I’m loading mid range loads then I’ll switch to HS6 and standard LP primers, Winchester predominately.
Here is my take on cast bullets, Hard Cast, basically anything 18bhn or higher and in solid form is going to punch a hole and break bones. It will require very tough bones and muscle to get any expansion from. On game that is tough or requires a lot of penetration they probably work very well, my experience although limited has shown this to be true. Bison hit with 4570 Hard cast, 44 mag hard cast had positive effects. Antelope hit with hard cast finally succumbed after taking 5 hits from a 500 Linebaugh Maximum all in chest and vitals except last which was in nose and out back of head. Because of the antelope I no longer use hard cast for medium game. Cast hollow points have given me good results on medium game and those are my chosen bullets if I’m going to use cast on medium game, otherwise I prefer jacketed HP or SP.
Up in your area If you’re going after Elk or larger game a good hard cast solid should work well for your purposes and I wouldn’t have issues with one either. Personally with your 454 and 45Colt I’d look at 300gr AF from the 454, and 265gr. Cast solid from your 97. Another option would be 300gr or 340gr cast from your 454C and keep your 97 stoked with 265’s in the 1100 to 1200 fps range and simply rely on it as a defensive gun. Although at that velocity range I’d say it would work well as a back up hunting gun also.
Others with more experience using hard cast bullets may have different experiences than me and I can’t dispute those claims. I can only report my experiences. In my opinion One of the best things to happen recently is the advent and availability of softer cast bullets and folks offering HP cast for sale.
Trapr
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Post by rickiesrevenge on May 26, 2023 19:39:22 GMT -5
Very cool, thanks for sharing that. Where’d you hunt your bison? For that matter, it seems like there are a lot of lucky tag drawing ppl on here with regards to bison hunts. Where’s all that going down? They’re damn hard to draw here in WY. Though I did draw a mtn goat tag this year, so believe me, I am not complaining So you're taking your FA on that goat hunt right??? Hopefully this is going to be my year for a revolver goat. I've tried it a couple times in the past, just didn't work out. |
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Post by wyomingnimrod on May 27, 2023 0:36:18 GMT -5
Very cool, thanks for sharing that. Where’d you hunt your bison? For that matter, it seems like there are a lot of lucky tag drawing ppl on here with regards to bison hunts. Where’s all that going down? They’re damn hard to draw here in WY. Though I did draw a mtn goat tag this year, so believe me, I am not complaining So you're taking your FA on that goat hunt right??? Hopefully this is going to be my year for a revolver goat. I've tried it a couple times in the past, just didn't work out. Hell yes, that’s the plan. Just gotta get my shooting technique and load sorted, but I’m going to give it all I got. Are you in BC, or AK? Or did you draw a tag elsewhere? Would love to hear your tale |
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Post by sixshot on May 27, 2023 1:57:31 GMT -5
Mountain Goats are deep but not really thick, so you might think about using a bullet that opens fairly fast because deep penetration isn't necessary. You don't want to thump a Billy & have him stagger around & fall a couple hundred feet & break those beautiful horns, you want to anchor him where you shoot him.
Dick
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Post by wyomingnimrod on May 27, 2023 2:19:45 GMT -5
Mountain Goats are deep but not really thick, so you might think about using a bullet that opens fairly fast because deep penetration isn't necessary. You don't want to thump a Billy & have him stagger around & fall a couple hundred feet & break those beautiful horns, you want to anchor him where you shoot him. Dick Valid point, thanks, Sixshot |
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