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Jan 22, 2024 12:04:37 GMT -5
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Post by rexster on Jan 22, 2024 12:04:37 GMT -5
It has been quite some time since my first posted reply, here. Some more thoughts:
Regarding hand issues, I can assert that the single action revolver can be a good work-around for some hand issues. When I wore carpal tunnel braces on BOTH wrists, while sleeping, some number of years ago, I kept a USFA Single Action handily near the bed. Now and then, to this day, I still wear a brace on my right wrist. I can manipulate the controls of an SAA-pattern sixgun, while wearing the splints. My duty pistol, at the time I wore two splints, was a SIG P229, with a voluminous grip that I could NOT hope to hold nearly properly, when wearing a splint.
Regarding shooting while wearing thick winter gloves, I agree that a single action sixgun can be a best choice, perhaps tied with a 1911, especially if the 1911 has a spur hammer. If it is so cold that one must wear mittens, a single action sixgun, with the trigger tied, in such as way as to produce a “slip gun,” can be fired if one is wearing mittens.
Many local robberies, lately, are initiated with the complainant being pepper-sprayed. If I have to point-shoot, at a poorly-defined target, an SAA-pattern revolver, especially if it has 4” or more of barrel length, (“Storekeeper” size) is second to none, in “point-ability,” at least in my personal case.
Sooner or later, I am going to age-out of wanting to shoot .357 Magnum ammunition, from even my largest and heaviest DA revolvers. I am not yet certain, but, SAA-pattern sixguns, firing .45 Colt, may well remain shootable, for me, well past the point I want to carry .357 Mag in DA revolvers. I do not have N-Frame-sized hands, so, toting .45 Colt is most size-efficient in an SAA-pattern sixgun. Of course, a 1911 is a size-efficient way to carry a big-bore cartridge, so, remains an option, except my right hand is not aging well, and, ideally, an auto-loader is at its best when two hands are available to run it. My theory is that the sudden acceleration of Magnum cartridges is what most aggravates my arthritis, rather than the total amount of muzzle rise. .45 Colt is becoming my better friend, now that I am in my sixties..
Relative to the size of the weapon, the SAA-pattern grip is reasonably compact, which enhances concealment. An N-Frame or Redhawk is a much larger package, overall, around which one must dress. For reference, my 4” USFA Single Action, in the ejector-less Storekeeper configuration, nicely fits into a tight Milt Sparks PMK holster made to fit S&W L-Frames. An SAA-pattern pistol is, in effect, an L-Frame-sized weapon with the ability to accommodate six big-bore chambers, if not safe to tote with six cartridges. (I think that the “New” Vacquero, is SAA-sized, and can safely chamber six cartridges.)
I have more thoughts, but, before this session times-out, or this gadget glitches and dumps everything, I had better post.
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Jan 22, 2024 12:18:14 GMT -5
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Post by bula on Jan 22, 2024 12:18:14 GMT -5
If , GOD forbid, the gun fight you didn't start, finds you with an empty gun and a threat still too bleeping close, the single-action still reigns supreme for pistol whipping.. Nobody has gone there yet in this discussion, I think.
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Jan 22, 2024 12:30:38 GMT -5
Post by rexster on Jan 22, 2024 12:30:38 GMT -5
If , GOD forbid, the gun fight you didn't start, finds you with an empty gun and a threat still too bleeping close, the single-action still reigns supreme for pistol whipping.. Nobody has gone there yet in this discussion, I think. True, a big piece of steel is a big piece of steel. Rather than “whip,” however, I think that I would rather punch/jab. Michael de Bethancourt had us punching the target, at touching distance, when we ran dry. He is a multi-system defensive instructor, teaching blade, firearm, contact-weapon, and empty-hand skills. This was an abbreviated class, at the Snubby Summit, a one-time event in 2005, for truly serious students of short-barreled revolvers. I am not sure whether he teaches this particular skill, in his normal snubby revolver classes.
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Jan 22, 2024 12:41:57 GMT -5
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Post by bula on Jan 22, 2024 12:41:57 GMT -5
Yes, punch. Will trade you a multi-system def., for a combatives instructor. Same/Same. Pistol whip, the known term.
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Jan 22, 2024 12:46:04 GMT -5
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Post by bula on Jan 22, 2024 12:46:04 GMT -5
Avoiding wide arm movements has taken us to a place beyond this forums ken. Stay safe folks. Fight like your the 3rd monkey on the ramp up into the ARK, and it has started to rain..
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Jan 22, 2024 12:53:57 GMT -5
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Post by revolvercranker on Jan 22, 2024 12:53:57 GMT -5
As to rexters the single action is second to none in point-a-bility, oh yes it is. Althought the pistol I'm going to mention that out points it, I would never choose it for a personal defense weapon and we all know why. That gun is the Luger P 08.
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Jan 22, 2024 13:21:45 GMT -5
Post by bula on Jan 22, 2024 13:21:45 GMT -5
I have not made much of a foray into point shooting. But like throwing snowballs, using slingshots, bare bow shooting, can be picked up, dialed in. A Tier One Protection dude talked, spoke, and walked the yard at camp, while using his airsoft Glock to shoot dandalion tops off, from waist height. Eye to hand to target, pick your weapon by other means, then learn. Sorry if I'm getting too specific on skills, and maybe being offensive here.
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Jan 22, 2024 14:13:48 GMT -5
Post by drycreek on Jan 22, 2024 14:13:48 GMT -5
The Glock points best for me, much better than a 1911 or a SA revolver. I guess it’s different anatomy.
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Jan 22, 2024 14:37:26 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2024 14:37:26 GMT -5
The Glock points best for me, much better than a 1911 or a SA revolver. I guess it’s different anatomy. In the past, I point shot the Glock well. A friend of mine tried it and he shot high because he was used to the 1911 grip angle and squeezed the whole grip….. Tight in the tang not squeezing the grip with all fingers the Glock points as straight as my finger naturally….. My G22 is now retired, I’ve aged and slowed down a lot, plus other factors. I carry a revolver today…… It’s my opinion it’s what we get used to and eventually the tool becomes 2nd nature. Like a sling shot or throwing a baseball, we just acquire the skill, in my opinion…..
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Jan 24, 2024 0:15:40 GMT -5
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Post by LeverGunner on Jan 24, 2024 0:15:40 GMT -5
It has been quite some time since my first posted reply, here. Some more thoughts: Regarding hand issues, I can assert that the single action revolver can be a good work-around for some hand issues. When I wore carpal tunnel braces on BOTH wrists, while sleeping, some number of years ago, I kept a USFA Single Action handily near the bed. Now and then, to this day, I still wear a brace on my right wrist. I can manipulate the controls of an SAA-pattern sixgun, while wearing the splints. My duty pistol, at the time I wore two splints, was a SIG P229, with a voluminous grip that I could NOT hope to hold nearly properly, when wearing a splint. Regarding shooting while wearing thick winter gloves, I agree that a single action sixgun can be a best choice, perhaps tied with a 1911, especially if the 1911 has a spur hammer. If it is so cold that one must wear mittens, a single action sixgun, with the trigger tied, in such as way as to produce a “slip gun,” can be fired if one is wearing mittens. Many local robberies, lately, are initiated with the complainant being pepper-sprayed. If I have to point-shoot, at a poorly-defined target, an SAA-pattern revolver, especially if it has 4” or more of barrel length, (“Storekeeper” size) is second to none, in “point-ability,” at least in my personal case. Sooner or later, I am going to age-out of wanting to shoot .357 Magnum ammunition, from even my largest and heaviest DA revolvers. I am not yet certain, but, SAA-pattern sixguns, firing .45 Colt, may well remain shootable, for me, well past the point I want to carry .357 Mag in DA revolvers. I do not have N-Frame-sized hands, so, toting .45 Colt is most size-efficient in an SAA-pattern sixgun. Of course, a 1911 is a size-efficient way to carry a big-bore cartridge, so, remains an option, except my right hand is not aging well, and, ideally, an auto-loader is at its best when two hands are available to run it. My theory is that the sudden acceleration of Magnum cartridges is what most aggravates my arthritis, rather than the total amount of muzzle rise. .45 Colt is becoming my better friend, now that I am in my sixties.. Relative to the size of the weapon, the SAA-pattern grip is reasonably compact, which enhances concealment. An N-Frame or Redhawk is a much larger package, overall, around which one must dress. For reference, my 4” USFA Single Action, in the ejector-less Storekeeper configuration, nicely fits into a tight Milt Sparks PMK holster made to fit S&W L-Frames. An SAA-pattern pistol is, in effect, an L-Frame-sized weapon with the ability to accommodate six big-bore chambers, if not safe to tote with six cartridges. (I think that the “New” Vacquero, is SAA-sized, and can safely chamber six cartridges.) I have more thoughts, but, before this session times-out, or this gadget glitches and dumps everything, I had better post. Thank you for sharing. I too have carpal tunnel. I don't have a problem manipulating an automatic yet, but I can certainly see that it can become an issue. My wife doens't have the best hand strength. She has trouble with automatics, and with pulling a double action trigger. She has no problems manipulating a single action though. She's not nearly as proficient with one as I am. But the point is, that the single action is probably the easiest gun for those with weaker or hurting hands to manipulate. It's also probably the easiest gun on the wrists when you consider the gun slips in the hand and recoil moves the muzzle up, rather than smacking the hand.
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Jan 24, 2024 0:20:35 GMT -5
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Post by bigbore5 on Jan 24, 2024 0:20:35 GMT -5
If I ever get to where recoil bothers me, I really do like 38 wad cutters and 32 hp's
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Jan 24, 2024 0:22:56 GMT -5
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Post by LeverGunner on Jan 24, 2024 0:22:56 GMT -5
The Glock points best for me, much better than a 1911 or a SA revolver. I guess it’s different anatomy. In the past, I point shot the Glock well. A friend of mine tried it and he shot high because he was used to the 1911 grip angle and squeezed the whole grip….. Tight in the tang not squeezing the grip with all fingers the Glock points as straight as my finger naturally….. My G22 is now retired, I’ve aged and slowed down a lot, plus other factors. I carry a revolver today…… It’s my opinion it’s what we get used to and eventually the tool becomes 2nd nature. Like a sling shot or throwing a baseball, we just acquire the skill, in my opinion….. I agree completely. My reasons for carrying a single actions is very much that I have used one the predominate amount of time I've shot a handgun, and thus it's second nature to me. Especially, Ruger New Models. I do a little point shooting with my single actions, and I have with others also, but it's quite a bit more natural for me with a single action.
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