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Jan 16, 2024 5:39:02 GMT -5
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Post by bigbore5 on Jan 16, 2024 5:39:02 GMT -5
I love my single actions. Super Blackhawks, Vaquero, Bearcat, Single six. I would NEVER carry one as a defensive firearm. 1. If you are involved in a justified shooting, you are likely to lose your gun ether temporarily or permanently. Carry the cheapest reliable gun you can. 2. Drawing, chocking, aiming, firing are 4 separate actions. With a Glock or glock like gun, you only have 3. Drawing, aiming, firing. 3. My Dimondback DB9 weighs less that my Bearcat. I can wear it Winter, Spirng, Summer and Fall in any clothes and you could not tell I have it on me. 4. Being 9mm I can shoot it… a lot. 5. There is a reason militaries and police moved on from the single action. Military moved on because of the higher capacity and rapid reloading required in a full on fire fight. I also carried 1500rds at least on me so that's pretty irrelevant to the civilian world. The police moved to the semiautomatics due to most cops being ex military and already trained on it. Draw,cock,aim, fire are components of one motion. There's a reason the single action revolver is well recognized as being the fastest to put the first shot on target. It's been proven time and again. I have both competed and fought with semiautomatics. I carry one sometimes and usually carry a DA revolver. But I in no way discount the single action.
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Jan 16, 2024 7:14:24 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2024 7:14:24 GMT -5
I love my single actions. Super Blackhawks, Vaquero, Bearcat, Single six. I would NEVER carry one as a defensive firearm. 1. If you are involved in a justified shooting, you are likely to lose your gun ether temporarily or permanently. Carry the cheapest reliable gun you can. 2. Drawing, chocking, aiming, firing are 4 separate actions. With a Glock or glock like gun, you only have 3. Drawing, aiming, firing. 3. My Dimondback DB9 weighs less that my Bearcat. I can wear it Winter, Spirng, Summer and Fall in any clothes and you could not tell I have it on me. 4. Being 9mm I can shoot it… a lot. 5. There is a reason militaries and police moved on from the single action. I’ve arrested hundreds of people as a patrol officer. Stopped cars at all hours of the night, sometimes with multiple suspects. Worked shooting scenes where spent brass was scattered everywhere and not a single person was hit, just cars and buildings. I’ve also worked scenes where serious injury or death occurred and only 1 or 3 rounds were fired at very close range…….I carried an issued G22 and 46 rounds on me and an had an issued rifle in the vehicle as well. In that roll it was the appropriate weapons ………Retired, my routine in life is totally different. Self defense for me isn’t going into bad neighborhoods to serve high threat warrants or doing felony car stops. Im not imagining getting into a firefight doing tactical reloads in the daily routine of my slimple lifestyle……Nobody can carry enough ammo to guarantee they won’t be shot at least once quickly at close range. Weapons are mission specific and I will never criticize one’s choice of survival tool because I’ve seen things and smelled death in person to have been shown the imagination can run wild to what’s reality……There’s simply not enough time or space to write real examples of it all and what I’ve seen people walk away from as well and the small weapon’s they’ve died from………As another stated, I also mostly carry a double action revolver concealed, at times I carry a snubby single action and am able to put it into up close action rather quickly from concealment more so than some would want to believe…. There’s always going to be opinions and debates in life among men, even about the truck brands they buy and why. When the rubber meets the road in reality the smell of death and carnage gets rid of debates. The real weapon is the mindset………In the distance of real self defense encounters there’s also no “aiming”. All of my practice when I get around to it is instinctive shooting without using sights. If one can point a finger at something they can shoot it without sights as well……..Peace and health wishes to all Pro-2A brothers…….From former patrol officer and an advanced cancer survivor. Living is the trophy……..
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Jan 16, 2024 7:39:35 GMT -5
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Post by magnumwheelman on Jan 16, 2024 7:39:35 GMT -5
to respond above... I also have carried a number of guns, in fact went through a faze where I carried antique guns, even range qualified for my 2nd carry permit using a S&W #2... then at 50, I decided to take up roller blading just for the heck of it... I grew up on traditional skates, & had never been on in line skates before... I wasn't very good, the brakes seem backwards, & I fell a lot... I decided to carry a cheap plastic, just in case I fell & broke it... so for about a year, I carried a Taurus TCP in 380... I quit carrying that for a couple reasons... the gun worked great, but one time I fell, & got about a mile down the skate trail, when I realized my TCP fell out of the holster... I was in a cold sweat skating back to look for it... trigger safeties & a compact looked like a toy gun, had me really worried, that a kid would find it & shoot themselves or a friend... fortunately I found the gun, that day I vowed not to carry a trigger safety gun again... 6 months later I had to put our old Bichon dog down, I chose the TCP, with hard ball ammo to put a shot between the old dogs front shoulder blades, the shot killed the dog instantly like I had hoped, but, the bullet only entered & did not exit the dog, only 5-6 inches thick at that area... I thought if a solid 380 couldn't penetrate 6" of dog, at point blank range, that it very easily would not be effective in a self defense situation... after that I started carrying my current carry piece, a single action revolver ( can't just pull the trigger to fire it, it needs to be cocked 1st ) I can't imagine having the same thing happen as did my lil 380, but at least if it did, shooting is intentional, rather than just pulling the trigger... & the caliber is a 45 Colt, making sure if I needed to use it, it will do what I ask of it... my gun is a transfer bar Ruger, so I carry all 6 chambers loaded... I have carried a full sized 10mm auto when going inner city, but I have gotten more comfortable with the revolver, & not carried the 10 mm for several years now... this is most likely the kind of skunk I encounter, with my current lifestyle...
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Jan 16, 2024 14:52:12 GMT -5
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Post by bobwright on Jan 16, 2024 14:52:12 GMT -5
One point detractors overlook is that drawing and cocking the Single Action revolver is not two separate actions but rathedr one. The hammer is cocked as soon as the gun clears leather and fired as soon as the gun comes level.
And, losing your gun in a justified shooting? I know of only about three cases, all here in Memphis, Tennessee, and in no case did the intended victim have to surrender his gun.
Bob Wright
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Jan 17, 2024 10:06:16 GMT -5
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Post by x101airborne on Jan 17, 2024 10:06:16 GMT -5
From a former LEO here in Texas, I can tell you they will at least temporarily confiscate your weapon; justified or not. It is just part of their investigation routine.
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Jan 17, 2024 10:55:34 GMT -5
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Post by rleprechaun on Jan 17, 2024 10:55:34 GMT -5
I carrry a 4 5/8" Ruger blackhawk in 45 Colt.
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Jan 17, 2024 11:21:57 GMT -5
Post by cas on Jan 17, 2024 11:21:57 GMT -5
...in no case did the intended victim have to surrender his gun. Or you're on the other end of the spectrum, living in places like where I do. They're going to take it, and every other gun you have. And MAYBE some day you'll get them all back. So you're not "saving" your nice gun by not carrying it.
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Jan 19, 2024 17:32:22 GMT -5
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 19, 2024 17:32:22 GMT -5
ZERO Fahrenheit the last three morning, without rising to the dignity of double digits throughout. Which doesn’t stop the shooting, but it does throw a curve.
Today’s review started with an automatic, the Glock 27 .40 S&W. Six thrown water jugs landed unscathed in the snowbank. 6x6 failures to fire. The drill starts with pistol in right hand, finger inside trigger guard, pressed forward against trigger guard. There is no time to wiggle a finger----gloved in insulated deerskin----inside the trigger guard. And the time is too long to complete the exercise including retrieving jugs with bare hands. In the case of the Glock, jamming a gloved finger inside the trigger guard just about guarantees the trigger safety locks against frame, preventing pull.
In the past, I’ve taken a measure of confidence by inserting gloved finger through trigger guard before action commences.
Silence from the Glock provoked four obsolete guns to try their luck: * Single action----old model Ruger Blackhawk .357 Mag; Ruger 03 with .45 ACP cylinder. * Double action----S&W M-19 .357 Mag. * Automatic----Les Baer 1911 Super Tac .45 ACP.
Evaluation, gloved shooting * Glock 27----trigger safety locks against frame, preventing trigger pull. * Les Baer 1911 Super Tac----all controls smooth. * S&W M-19----silky double action, perfect reset despite S&W light rebound spring. * Ruger old model Blackhawk----smooth cocking, gloved web of hand below Peacemaker hammer spur. * Ruger 03 with RWGF brass Bradshaw Bisley grip frame (Ruger Bisley pushed rearward 3/16”). In conjunction with heel index against butt, pushes gloved web of hand behind spur. However, Ronnie’s proposed up-angled spur will assure better clearance. There were no failures to fire from the antiques.
I suspect a high percentage of persons who pack a single action revolver are familiar with its manual of arms. Conversely suspect a high percentage of persons who pack an auto pistol are less familiar with its manual of arms. David Bradshaw
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Jan 19, 2024 18:04:30 GMT -5
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Post by jrwilliams on Jan 19, 2024 18:04:30 GMT -5
For me it depends on what I am doing to what I carry. For day to day in town I carry an SP-101 since it's light and concealable. When I am out in the woods hunting/fishing/camping I usually carry one of my single actions in 44 Special or 44 Magnum. I feel pretty well protected with these revolvers.
No issue with what different people want to carry as I probably won't be at their gunfight.
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Jan 19, 2024 23:13:11 GMT -5
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 19, 2024 23:13:11 GMT -5
Somewhere a photo... a line of good time hombres washed in Texas sun packing six-shooters... recognizing among the guilty: Dick Thompson & Fermin Garza. Familiarity, heartbeat of rhythm breeding performance. Performance feeds on betterment of the group and self.
Don’t remember feeling naked with a single action. David Bradshaw
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Jan 19, 2024 23:27:08 GMT -5
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Post by revolvercranker on Jan 19, 2024 23:27:08 GMT -5
Those single actions got us to where we are today. Before them it was the single action cap n balls. My favorite semi auto is still the 1911. Another one that worked in extreme cold weather and snow is the Russian Tokarev pistol. I'm not aware of how the German P 38 fared in the Russian winter during WW2.
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Jan 20, 2024 9:03:06 GMT -5
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Post by tentcamper on Jan 20, 2024 9:03:06 GMT -5
Somewhere a photo... a line of good time hombres washed in Texas sun packing six-shooters... recognizing among the guilty: Dick Thompson & Fermin Garza. Familiarity, heartbeat of rhythm breeding performance. Performance feeds on betterment of the group and self. Don’t remember feeling naked with a single action. David Bradshaw Your last statement... exactly correct. I'm fairly proficient with a single action. I've never felt "under armed" with one. On the occasions I am not armed due to environmental circumstances, I feel quite "naked", while fully dressed.
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Jan 20, 2024 9:47:15 GMT -5
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Post by hunter01 on Jan 20, 2024 9:47:15 GMT -5
I think the definition of “defensive carry” will vary among us. I define “defensive” as urban environments. To some “defensive carry” would be what I’d consider a hunting “backup”. Two entirely different guns in my eyes. I see the single action as being perfectly adequate for 99.9% of situations, but there are plenty where only a hammerless double action would make me warm and fuzzy. Other than capacity, I’d rather have either revolver over a SA (sometimes auto).
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Jan 20, 2024 11:28:05 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2024 11:28:05 GMT -5
No issue with what different people want to carry as I probably won't be at their gunfight. One of the best statements anyone has ever made.
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Jan 20, 2024 16:08:08 GMT -5
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Post by hombre on Jan 20, 2024 16:08:08 GMT -5
I open carry a 1957 mfd. Blackhawk in a left hand rig while riding my motorcycle. Left hand rig leaves the throttle hand where it belongs
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