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Jul 25, 2021 10:04:30 GMT -5
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Post by rleprechaun on Jul 25, 2021 10:04:30 GMT -5
Ruger Blackhawk 45 colt 4 5/8"
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Aug 23, 2021 20:06:19 GMT -5
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Post by 9x23w on Aug 23, 2021 20:06:19 GMT -5
You're talking about your life here, not some shooting contest. You better make a wise choice. Most people who carry guns never use them for self defense, so there isn't a lot of data to analyze. And of course every situation is different. There are plenty of self defense cases where a SA is fine and other cases where it is not. Very difficult to predetermine what situation you will be in when you need to use your handgun.
I like SA's (or I wouldn't be here) as for some applications (big bores) they are the best choice. For self defense they are not.
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Aug 23, 2021 20:32:39 GMT -5
Post by rhino on Aug 23, 2021 20:32:39 GMT -5
When Bonnie & Clyde met their demise in 1934, Frank Hamer was carrying a .45 Colt single action revolver as a primary sidearm but he wasn't anyone's fool and was also armed with a Colt 1911 in .38 Super. He was also armed with a Remington Model 8 semi automatic rifle with extended magazine. His fellow officers were also armed with BAR's. Frank Hamer carried what he felt comfortable with but he was also practical and carried the top of the line weapons that could be had at the time. If you are comfortable with a single action or that's all you have and well trained, I wouldn't see an issue with carrying one. I prefer a semi auto myself but YMMV. Sam
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Aug 24, 2021 15:01:48 GMT -5
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Post by parallaxbill on Aug 24, 2021 15:01:48 GMT -5
If I had to it would be this 357 magnum since it shoots so well. I carry it around my farm regularly in a Rick Bachman crossdraw holster.
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Aug 24, 2021 15:42:02 GMT -5
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Post by leadhound on Aug 24, 2021 15:42:02 GMT -5
You're talking about your life here, not some shooting contest. You better make a wise choice. Most people who carry guns never use them for self defense, so there isn't a lot of data to analyze. And of course every situation is different. There are plenty of self defense cases where a SA is fine and other cases where it is not. Very difficult to predetermine what situation you will be in when you need to use your handgun. I like SA's (or I wouldn't be here) as for some applications (big bores) they are the best choice. For self defense they are not. Could you elaborate upon your reasoning?
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Aug 24, 2021 16:03:50 GMT -5
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Post by x101airborne on Aug 24, 2021 16:03:50 GMT -5
You're talking about your life here, not some shooting contest. You better make a wise choice. Most people who carry guns never use them for self defense, so there isn't a lot of data to analyze. Well, there is a lot of data of people using a firearm for self defense although you do not distinguish between single action revolvers and autos in this category. And of course every situation is different. Very true. There are plenty of self defense cases where a SA is fine and other cases where it is not. Very difficult to predetermine what situation you will be in when you need to use your handgun. Again, very true, but few people carry a SA in 380 Auto or some of the other smaller calibers. Letting off a 270 grain 45 colt in Wal Mart is going to take some time to slow down. Under stress, hit rates go down drastically and I want to know or at least have an idea where my bullet is penetrating to. This coming from someone that was actually "hunted" in Wal Mart by someone I arrested three weeks earlier. And yes, I was carrying an auto, not a single action. I like SA's (or I wouldn't be here) as for some applications (big bores) they are the best choice. For self defense they are not. I absolutely agree. Every job needs a tool otherwise no one would make tool boxes.
Interesting conversation though. On the ranch, a SA works just great for me. Thanks for adding to the thread!Could you elaborate upon you reasoning?
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Aug 25, 2021 1:19:51 GMT -5
Post by 9x23w on Aug 25, 2021 1:19:51 GMT -5
Leadhound I agree with your comments. Thank you.
Proficiency with a firearm is of course very important. Certainly someone proficient with a SA is going to do better in nearly every situation than some not proficient with anything they may be carrying.
The big problem with SA's is the reload capability. It basically stinks. Now I think statistics will show that 6 rounds is sufficient for most gunfights. But not for all. Again this is your life (and maybe the life of other family members). Do you want to roll the dice that 6 rounds is enough? As Leadhound said: "Under stress, hit rates go down drastically".
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Aug 25, 2021 8:22:41 GMT -5
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Post by magnumwheelman on Aug 25, 2021 8:22:41 GMT -5
as someone who has carried for 15 years now ( but I did not "stay at a holiday in express last night" ) as a citizen with a carry permit... 1st off, I'm not law enforcement, for me, the best way to survive is to not be in a situation where a gun is needed... I personally don't live in a metro area, but will admit, that when I went into the metro areas, in the past, I used to carry a 15 round capacity 10 mm... so as to not be under gunned... after all the civil unrest in my area over the last year, I don't think that 15 rounds are needed any more... again, I don't intentionally go into areas that I'm likely to need a gun, to just to go shopping or I carry my snubbie 45 Colt I've pictured often here... I can hit what I intend with reasonable certainty with it, as evidenced by hitting running possums in the dark, while holding a flashlight, & the numerous raccoons that have succumbed to the gun... the ammo in the gun, would be much more effective than a standard 45 Auto & I hold just 1 less round than a standard 1911... & as noted in my page 1 post on this thread, I easily out shot several ( 3 ) compact 9's during the range qualify for my 3rd carry class I have an ammo wallet with 20 rounds for backup ( it's in the arm rest of my truck ) I practice reloads... & actually reloaded just as fast as the newbies could change a magazine in their compact 9's, at CCW course... but in reality, I really screwed up badly, if I would ever need more that 6 rounds on a shopping trip to the metro... as evidence by people "defending themselves" in local mob situations, you'll be going to jail ( at my age ) for likely the rest of my life, if I unloaded 2 magazines worth of ammo into an angry mob ( no one is going to care, if at that point "I feared for my life" ) if 6 rounds of Matt's Wadcutter 45 Colts aren't going to do it... I screwed up badly, & never should have been there... now talking law enforcement... I firmly believe our officers should be equipped with at least or better than the weapons they are likely to go up against during their shifts... talking tactically... there are likely advantages of not leaving your brass at the scene of the shooting... even if you feared for your life... having cases flying around, are more likely to leave negative evidence, than help your defense... just like a boy scout in the woods... I want to leave as little evidence that I was there as possible... I still have that 10mm, several 9's, & even a PMR 30... but as someone who has been carrying for a long time now... I don't ever feel under gunned with my single action any more...
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Aug 25, 2021 9:34:57 GMT -5
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Post by bula on Aug 25, 2021 9:34:57 GMT -5
Avoidance is best. Easy for me as I live in a rural county and my gas stop is a large well lit and camera'd truck stop. The one the Sheriff's dept and State Troopers barracks uses. In my yard or at camp, field carry, I'm ok with a S.A. gun for carry. Estimating possible threats and gear toward them is next. Here, the multiple bag guy, thug type crime just doesn't happen. If it did I would put the Glock back on, or move. We could "what if" all day but you have to draw your own lines. We all know the 1st rule.. have a gun ! I've gotten into discussions with folks with quite strong opinions as to proper armament only to find they weren't packing, so talking in theory. Truly, my most on me piece is my 44spec Bulldog, speed strips and speed loaders handy. Again, this per my life. Raccoons with distemper have forced to clean my guns more often over the years than anything else. Bumped bears have gotten me to draw more times than anything else.
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Aug 25, 2021 9:37:09 GMT -5
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Post by laylow on Aug 25, 2021 9:37:09 GMT -5
I often carry an NAA Black Widow. SA 22lr.
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Aug 25, 2021 12:18:12 GMT -5
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Post by leadhound on Aug 25, 2021 12:18:12 GMT -5
Leadhound I agree with your comments. Thank you. Proficiency with a firearm is of course very important. Certainly someone proficient with a SA is going to do better in nearly every situation than some not proficient with anything they may be carrying. The big problem with SA's is the reload capability. It basically stinks. Now I think statistics will show that 6 rounds is sufficient for most gunfights. But not for all. Again this is your life (and maybe the life of other family members). Do you want to roll the dice that 6 rounds is enough? As Leadhound said: "Under stress, hit rates go down drastically". Just for clarity those were comments from x101airborne, I was asking for your reasoning behind what you said initially.
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Aug 25, 2021 14:57:51 GMT -5
Post by 9x23w on Aug 25, 2021 14:57:51 GMT -5
Sorry Leadhound, my mistake. As I have said before it's the reload issue with SA's. I can shoot my 45 Blackhawk as well or better than any of my autos, and it's way more powerful than any of them, but the thought of being out of ammo in a bad situation is troubling to me. I admit to never really practicing quick reloading with an SA, maybe there are some secrets I don't know. If one is not bothered by the reloading issue then an SA may not be a bad choice. BTW my 45 setup is a 7-1/2" stock Blackhawk with some trigger work, reduced power hammer and trigger spring, wood grips, and a Super Blackhawk hammer. Don't get me wrong, I'm an SA guy, just not 100% of the time.
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Aug 25, 2021 15:49:45 GMT -5
Post by magnumwheelman on Aug 25, 2021 15:49:45 GMT -5
try speed strips for reloading... I've even seen guys running 45 ACP revolvers, & reloading with a 1911 Magazine... often times just a little practice & figuring out how & where to hold things makes a big difference... during my last carry class, I was able to reload ( only 5 rounds allowed in the guns during range qualifying ) just as fast as the newbies could juggle their spare mag & what to do with the empty mag & get it in the gun, & rack the slide... & my snubbie doesn't even have an ejector rod & I was popping them out of an ammo wallet...
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Aug 26, 2021 10:13:13 GMT -5
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Post by taffin on Aug 26, 2021 10:13:13 GMT -5
Today we have so many choices when it comes to an everyday packin’ pistol or concealed carry firearms. Number one seller today is a compact 9 mm semi-automatic and one can always be found in the right-hand pocket of my denim vest. We have other semi-automatic pistols and a long list of caliber choices as well as both single-action and double-action sixguns. Even considering carrying a cap and ball revolver might be looked upon as a little strange. However, I certainly do not feel hampered by carrying a percussion pistol afield making sure it is one which is as totally reliable as possible first. To this end there are several things which can be done. One is to replace the original nipples with higher-quality aftermarket stainless steel or bronze alloy nipples. These will have a smaller charge hole which helps to prevent hammer blowback which can allow fired caps to fall into the mechanism. A heavier mainspring than normally used on say a Colt Single Action also helps along this line as well as providing positive ignition. Making sure the face of the hammer is smooth also prevents the hammer from pulling fired percussion caps off the nipple when the hammer is cocked for the next shot. Self-defense use? They tell us statistics when it comes to gun fights are 3-3-3, that is most confrontations occur at three yards or less in three seconds or less with three shots fired or less. As stated previously the fastest reload is still a second handgun. A pair of percussion pistols may seem dinosauric but even after being basically replaced more than 150 years ago they can still be made to work. Life has always been uncertain, however with the latest craziness it is being made even more so. There may come a time when reloading components will be nonexistent. A few pounds of lead, a small cast-iron skillet, a simple single-cavity round ball mold, a can of black powder, and some percussion caps could be the only thing between us and disaster.
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Aug 26, 2021 14:14:21 GMT -5
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Post by parallaxbill on Aug 26, 2021 14:14:21 GMT -5
If I were to carry any of my percussion six shooters for defense it would definitely be my stainless Ruger Old Army. Maybe my Pietta 1858 Remington clone, a distant second. Both are very accurate with the Ruger being heads above the Remington in reliable cycling.
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