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Post by silcott on Apr 14, 2020 6:42:06 GMT -5
Looking great!
What’s the red car in the background?
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Post by seancass on Apr 14, 2020 7:00:06 GMT -5
I like how you kept everything very crisp and clean. I'd also love to see one where there are no edges and everything is melted and flowing together, just for comparison. |
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Post by potatojudge on Apr 14, 2020 8:23:41 GMT -5
Looking great! What’s the red car in the background? 1969 Datsun 2000   |
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Post by bradshaw on Apr 14, 2020 8:25:05 GMT -5
I like how you kept everything very crisp and clean. I'd also love to see one where there are no edges and everything is melted and flowing together, just for comparison. ***** According to Ronnie Wells, hole spacing for Ruger’s five gripe frame screws has continued with amazing consistency for decades, that Ronnie has never encountered hole alignment problems. This dovetails my experience. Except for the aluminum gripframe, polishing at the factory is done with grip frame assembled to frame. There is a little play in alignment, which one nudges to get the lines right when re-assembling the revolver. As for contouring the trigger guard to to make the pistol pleasing to the eye and eliminate a cookie-cutter edge, a Dremel-type tool with 1/4-inch sanding drum works very well. Coarse drum for contour. Foredom tool and air grinders work, although some of the air grinders run rpm too high for a sanding drum. Stainless has the advantage here, as it requires no re-blue. One should look at the old Winchesters, the old Sharps levers, and old Colt and Smith & Wesson revolvers to see the cream of classy trigger guard contours. The poo-pooed Winchester 1894 of John Browning remains a class act in my humble esteem. While I am not a lever action man, I understand the affection non-gun people had for the pre-64 Winchester .30-30, smooth enough and utterly reliable. Finishing is one of the more labor-specific details of proper revolver making. And skill-specific. Marlin never took contour of the lever loop and trigger guard as seriously as Winchester (until 1964). And Smith & Wesson and Colt knew the importance of smooth insertion of trigger finger into the trigger guard. These details are not obsolete, even for those who regard fast draw as meaningless or unworthy of practice. Heavy recoil mandates a contoured trigger guard to protect the finger inside and fingers outside the trigger guard. Fortunately, stainless steel and brass may be finished to compliment a fine revolver, while saving the sixgunner added expense at purchase. David Bradshaw |
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Post by silcott on Apr 14, 2020 8:44:14 GMT -5
Looking great! What’s the red car in the background? 1969 Datsun 2000 NICE!! |
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Post by RDW on Apr 14, 2020 10:34:15 GMT -5
Thank you for sharing! Trying to decide between the mini bisley and the mini PJ.... Jordan My next fitting will be a mid sized aluminum PJ to a mid frame 44 special Bisley. Trust me when I say that round butting is a game changer. Not my design- it came from Dustin Linebaugh. Lets set the record straight on the PJ Round Butt! Dustin Linebaugh does an exquisite Job of Modifying the current Ruger Bisley Grip Frame. Our current PJRB is the brain storm or the collaboration of myself and one Todd Bruno.(PotatoJudge) It is much different in the sense that it has meat or material in all the places that we all wished the ruger had. Im talking about the inner cut, the sunken part of the frame that houses the hammer spring relief. In order to change the shape and have some platen for the grip panel to rest on it needs ( The Ruger Version) to be welded in a bit. Then of course faced. The PJRB has extra meat in all the right places to accomodate cutting it in any direction that you so desire. I am holding one of Dustins modified grip frames in my hand right now to get an outer dimension for the side and top to get it a little closer for a customer with a PJ Junior. Dustins work and attention to detail will make you proud to have one of his masterpieces. It is perfect. The finish, the fit, and the shape is spot on. The added Bushing to house a relocated grip panel pin, BRILLIANT! When me and Potato judge were discussing this a year ago, He told me of his fondness for this shape. I told him i had done something similar to original rugers, but had to weld it up a bit to make it work and that i had made some bisleys with a lot of extra meat for my Birdsley design from scratch. We both agreed it needed to be a little longer and have plenty of extra meat so to allow reshaping! So a day or two of programming the PJRB was born! When you hold one You will Know it is a game changer. So sorry Todd but this is your design and it is a good one. I love it! Humility is a good thing and its one of the things i like about you so much. For God sakes man you are a doctor, a real Gentleman and as professional as they come Bud! Your take and Knowledge of these old school sixguns has always impressed me, and dont get me wrong, but thats not easy to do! So Take a Bow Bro! The PJ RB is my best seller! We are fixing to unleash the PJ Junior And the PJ Youth, old and new! As well as a real Bisley Trigger for the Old Model for use with them. It will Utilise the Old model Pusher plunger style trigger return spring! That way it is not a half new, half old model! It has a full Bisley Trigger guard, not semi! There will be a bison hunter and all of the 4 degree plus versions in the old model. And by the way Guys His Datsun 2000 is Bitchin! R |
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Post by potatojudge on Apr 14, 2020 14:48:42 GMT -5
My next fitting will be a mid sized aluminum PJ to a mid frame 44 special Bisley. Trust me when I say that round butting is a game changer. Not my design- it came from Dustin Linebaugh. Lets set the record straight on the PJ Round Butt! Dustin Linebaugh does an exquisite Job of Modifying the current Ruger Bisley Grip Frame. Our current PJRB is the brain storm or the collaboration of myself and one Todd Bruno.(PotatoJudge) It is much different in the sense that it has meat or material in all the places that we all wished the ruger had. Im talking about the inner cut, the sunken part of the frame that houses the hammer spring relief. In order to change the shape and have some platen for the grip panel to rest on it needs ( The Ruger Version) to be welded in a bit. Then of course faced. The PJRB has extra meat in all the right places to accomodate cutting it in any direction that you so desire. I am holding one of Dustins modified grip frames in my hand right now to get an outer dimension for the side and top to get it a little closer for a customer with a PJ Junior. Dustins work and attention to detail will make you proud to have one of his masterpieces. It is perfect. The finish, the fit, and the shape is spot on. The added Bushing to house a relocated grip panel pin, BRILLIANT! When me and Potato judge were discussing this a year ago, He told me of his fondness for this shape. I told him i had done something similar to original rugers, but had to weld it up a bit to make it work and that i had made some bisleys with a lot of extra meat for my Birdsley design from scratch. We both agreed it needed to be a little longer and have plenty of extra meat so to allow reshaping! So a day or two of programming the PJRB was born! When you hold one You will Know it is a game changer. So sorry Todd but this is your design and it is a good one. I love it! Humility is a good thing and its one of the things i like about you so much. For God sakes man you are a doctor, a real Gentleman and as professional as they come Bud! Your take and Knowledge of these old school sixguns has always impressed me, and dont get me wrong, but thats not easy to do! So Take a Bow Bro! The PJ RB is my best seller! We are fixing to unleash the PJ Junior And the PJ Youth, old and new! As well as a real Bisley Trigger for the Old Model for use with them. It will Utilise the Old model Pusher plunger style trigger return spring! That way it is not a half new, half old model! It has a full Bisley Trigger guard, not semi! There will be a bison hunter and all of the 4 degree plus versions in the old model. And by the way Guys His Datsun 2000 is Bitchin! R Well said. Inspired by is probably the better way to put it since dimensionally it is as you stated. This whole endeavor has me wanting a Diprofil but mostly I need to get a couple of decent files. Woodworker here stepping out into metal. David, if I read you correctly your reference to the trigger guard as a cookie cutter is due to the flat/square sides and edges. I agree, and I have in my head how I'd like to massage this a little but I wanted to get the basic cleanup work done first. I don't have my brother's artist hands, nor yours, so I'll be using scribe lines to guide my file. |
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Post by leftysixgun on Apr 14, 2020 20:29:50 GMT -5
PJ, theres nothing wrong with using scribe lines to guide your file. Go bend that file!
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Post by bradshaw on Apr 14, 2020 22:01:51 GMT -5
Todd.... look forward to seeing the Potato Judge Birdhead on one of your sixgun, with report.
To file requires more skill and time on the mountain than to contour with a sanding drum on a hand grinder. Ruger Bisley trigger guards show variations in the degree of finish contouring, much more so than on the Super Blackhawk trigger guard. Grip frames do take some hand work. I once asked Steve Herrett his custom grips fit some Smith & Wesson better than others; some guns I had to glass bed his stocks. Herrett looks at me, a smile stretching his thin mustache: “I inlet my stocks to closer tolerances than Smith & Wesson finishes grip frames!”
Played Steve Herrett’s claim to Roy Jinks on my next stop at S&W in Springfield. “Steve’s probably right,” says Jinks. “Machining of the grip frame runs the same, but polishing makes each one different.”
David Bradshaw
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Post by silcott on Apr 23, 2020 15:23:56 GMT -5
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Post by silcott on Apr 23, 2020 15:26:23 GMT -5
Nope!
But the link works
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Post by potatojudge on Apr 23, 2020 15:32:43 GMT -5
Looks great!
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Post by silcott on Apr 23, 2020 15:42:48 GMT -5
Thanks. Still have a lot of work to do yet. |
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Post by dennyl on May 1, 2020 16:40:46 GMT -5
Sent an email looking for a Bisley trigger guard and SBH frame I think
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Post by Jamey Worrell on May 6, 2020 13:49:47 GMT -5
Looking great! What’s the red car in the background? 1969 Datsun 2000 My dad had one of those, 1600...traded it in for a '69 birch brown Camaro SS with white racing stripes. Met and dated my mom in the Camaro, and then 2 years later I came along...bye to the Camaro, hello Caprice  I was constantly reminded of his having to sell the Camaro because of me...I'm pretty sure he had something to do with the +1 on the family, but he conveniently forgot that  When I went through his stuff, plenty of pics of the Camaro...none of the Datsun roadster. |
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I was constantly reminded of his having to sell the Camaro because of me...I'm pretty sure he had something to do with the +1 on the family, but he conveniently forgot that 