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Post by ddixie884 on Jan 8, 2020 21:19:46 GMT -5
Better mouse trap..............
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Post by RDW on Jan 8, 2020 22:21:43 GMT -5
Ya, But we got some big rats here in Texas huh Dixie? Haha
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Post by eagle1899 on Jan 8, 2020 22:53:26 GMT -5
Would lowering the bore axis in relation to the overall height of the hand be possible if you were to high cut behind the trigger guard and give the grip a even steeper angle?
I have normal sized hands, a high cut trigger guard, beaver tail and a flat mainspring housing on a 1911 is a must for me.
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 8, 2020 23:30:48 GMT -5
Would lowering the bore axis in relation to the overall height of the hand be possible if you were to high cut behind the trigger guard and give the grip a even steeper angle? I have normal sized hands, a high cut trigger guard, beaver tail and a flat mainspring housing on a 1911 is a must for me. ***** John Browning designed his 1911 around the .45 ACP, knowing there could be minor variations in power. The grip would not conduce health for the shooter’s hand firing powerful rounds. I am told Dan Wesson made an experimental magnum revolver which placed the hand behind the bore, and it was murderous to fire. The Merrill/Rock Pistol Manufacturing and Wichita International tip-open single shot pistols each has a solid steel grip frame fashioned after Browning’s 1911. Firing heavy , rifle-type rounds, both smack the hand unmerciful. The object is to design grips which MANAGE RECOIL. Recoil management in a revolver means the ability to deliver power ACCURATELY while conserving anatomy. Powerful pistols with a low bore axis hammer recoil rstraight back. David Bradshaw |
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Post by eagle1899 on Jan 9, 2020 0:07:01 GMT -5
Thank you Mr. Bradshaw. I understand the focus of your design and its purpose better.
My intent was more on control. I had in mind less recoil than your design allows.
I was thinking of my Flat-top 44 Special Midframe. Already a very balanced gun. Adding a few ounces to the back end would bring the center of rotation back further and delay the moment of inertia(recoil) a smidge.
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 9, 2020 9:43:17 GMT -5
Thank you Mr. Bradshaw. I understand the focus of your design and its purpose better. My intent was more on control. I had in mind less recoil than your design allows. I was thinking of my Flat-top 44 Special Midframe. Already a very balanced gun. Adding a few ounces to the back end would bring the center of rotation back further and delay the moment of inertia(recoil) a smidge. ***** Met, during my silhouette days, several NRA Bullseye competitors who had worn out their elbows shooting pocket pool offhand with arm extended straight, ELBOW LOCKED. Even with pistols used in bullseye, the cumulative hammering from low bore-axis pistols wears away cartilage designed to protect wrist and elbow joints. These guys shot silhouette with elbows slightly bent. Were they to shoot with elbows locked, they’d know immediately LOCKED ELBOWS are wrong! Knew a big guy, worked on the railroad. He liked to deer hunt with a T/C Contender .30-30. One day he decides to take a shot over the roof of his car. Elbows locked. The recoil did him harm in one shot. He had to take a long break from shooting to heal. In the process of designing a tool for hand surgeons, Ronnie Wells had a rather formal introduction to working of the human hand. This information blends with his own avid handgunning to inform grip design. A proactive approach to adapting a revolver stoked with Rocks & Dynamite to the human hand, to utilize the power ACCURATELY. Connecticut Yankee Sam Colt very much retired the sword with his 5-shooters and sixguns, at the same time altering the grip of the single shot pistol----which butt is used as a club for the second shot----to refine marksmanship. The world of magnum handgunning----power, recoil, long range marksmanship----drags us to preserve our physical being. At 75 my body doesn’t need to wrestle or run jack hammers, but I still hammer & wrestle steel, bike, ski, swim, and continue to fire each shot like it’s the only one I have. The worst thing we can do is hand a gun of potent recoil to a beginning shooter. The second most stupid thing is to pretend too ourselves recoil doesn’t exist. Marksmanship is not measured in one good or lucky shot, Marksmanship is measured in CONSISTENCY, the ability to REPEAT PERFORMANCE. We don’t get there by beating up our anatomy. As they say, Get a grip. David Bradshaw |
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Post by RDW on Jan 9, 2020 10:31:19 GMT -5
I think it's awesome and funny that on March 18th of last year Magnumwheelman started a thread about "CNC brass grip frames, what's it worth to ya", then on June 21 Ronnie posts a pic of a PAAAAAAAAL of grip frames. since then at least two people (potato and Bradshaw) have one named after them, some people have more than one, some people got some by surprise, etc... The application is truly limitless and the supplier is happy as a pig, well... It has been fun to watch and pay attention to what has happened here. Glad to be aboard. This has only just begun to be extremely fun! Dont forget the FrankenFab and soon to be a Kaytod and a PJ Junior and im working on the FE Bisley as well. When are we going to design one for you buddy? Boy i bet The SQUAWBERRY would get some attention Huh? Thanks Buddy. |
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Post by 41freak on Jan 9, 2020 14:44:27 GMT -5
I just received my aluminum Potato Judge and think I will love it. I went with the aluminum version to save some weight on my hunting SBH. The machining is perfect and I don't see a single mark and the blasted finish is even and looks great. I will be ordering several more after I get this one fit and grips done.
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Post by Konchman on Jan 9, 2020 15:20:18 GMT -5
I just received my aluminum Potato Judge and think I will love it. I went with the aluminum version to save some weight on my hunting SBH. The machining is perfect and I don't see a single mark and the blasted finish is even and looks great. I will be ordering several more after I get this one fit and grips done. Thanks 41freak! Can't wait to supply you with some more awesome grip Frames! |
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Post by RDW on Jan 9, 2020 15:32:35 GMT -5
Thank you Mr. Bradshaw. I understand the focus of your design and its purpose better. My intent was more on control. I had in mind less recoil than your design allows. I was thinking of my Flat-top 44 Special Midframe. Already a very balanced gun. Adding a few ounces to the back end would bring the center of rotation back further and delay the moment of inertia(recoil) a smidge. Absolutely Eagle. It is a great idea, but, and thats a big But, Recoil is going to happen! No way to stop it. An old man once told me during my young and restless days that i was to high strung! Imagine that. He said that i needed to calm down a little and go with the flow. He then proceeded to tell me about how his great grandfather was a wagon wheel designer and maker. He said that no matter how hard they tried, they could not make a wagon wheel that was tougher and stronger than the road was. However when they introduced the Rubber wheel which soaked up the road he was out of business. I believe that has always been the ticket. And it is no different now so if we can experiment enough to prove out the best angle,Shape and size for your hand that will rotate just enough to transfer whatever recoil is going to happen anyway to you as evenly dispersed across the hand as possible, we WIN!!!!!!! Recoil is Recoil Big or Small, and over a period of time it is doing badddddd Bad Stuff to your hand! Just like smoking and drinking, its fun to do but not always good for us! Not preaching at all, just on a mission to fix an age old problem and do it Dammit instead of just speculating and talking smack. Which is still fun but not productive. Hahaha I believe by now everyone has figured out, WE AINT JOKIN OR A B....S.... ING! We are going to try every thing we can to get the best and the most out of the Recoil disbursement! Check out PLF Parachute Landing Fall techniques! Controlled leg and body buckling can and will spread the shock of landing to a degree to a larger area of the body therefore taking out the concentrated pressure to the smaller parts like the ankle and allow a landing that would otherwise seriously injure the jumper! Be cool Eagle, love talking with you brother. Ronnie |
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Post by kings6 on Jan 9, 2020 16:13:10 GMT -5
Ronnie, my only regret is that all these grip frame options were not available 15-20 years ago when I started my custom revolver journey instead of now, when it is over.
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Post by 450ak on Jan 9, 2020 18:56:45 GMT -5
How I wish Ronnie was making grip frames years ago. But I’ll sure enjoy his frames whenever I get one. It’s going on Black Beauty which is a 500L. Poor thing has been shot and packed around the mountain with Goodyear grips. Going to make it much nicer with the FE special. It’s a heck of a rockchuck killer hahaha
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Post by RDW on Jan 9, 2020 20:37:14 GMT -5
How I wish Ronnie was making grip frames years ago. But I’ll sure enjoy his frames whenever I get one. It’s going on Black Beauty which is a 500L. Poor thing has been shot and packed around the mountain with Goodyear grips. Going to make it much nicer with the FE special. It’s a heck of a rockchuck killer hahaha Teaser Frank! Hee Hee Hee!   |
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Post by 450ak on Jan 9, 2020 20:45:39 GMT -5
Should it have a little round butt? Too much and recoil is accentuated. But that’s why I have files.....
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Post by RDW on Jan 9, 2020 20:58:14 GMT -5
Thats why we are showing you man. How do you want it to look and fit? We will geterdun! Here is an overlay. Longer? Rounder? Let me know bud! F.E. in Black over a Red Standard Bisley!  |
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