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Post by smokingun on Nov 26, 2017 20:40:11 GMT -5
I carry my Talo SBH in front or back pocket of my Carhart bibs. Weigh your holster rig and see how much it cuts out for weight. I just got around to weighing a couple cross draw leather holster that my dad made for my SBH with 3.75" barrel(41.95oz) 1/4" leather is 8.10oz 1/8" leather is 5oz
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Post by Dennis on Nov 26, 2017 22:24:17 GMT -5
All this weighing of sixguns got me thinking of a Clements gun I had David build several years back. I don't remember ever weighing it but had in mind a lightweight carry gun when I designed it. Out of the safe and on the scale....33.5oz. Not bad, and a 255GR hard cast at 1000fps in a 45 auto rim should settle all issues that come along. Dennis. ![](https://s19.postimg.org/l5y2krewz/20180322_200853.jpg) ![](https://s19.postimg.org/fhrru00bn/20171125_204945_Richtone_HDR.jpg) ![](https://s19.postimg.org/nn9ts2gtv/20171125_205137.jpg)
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Post by alukban on Nov 26, 2017 22:54:15 GMT -5
That has got to be an Aluminum frame and ERH, no?
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Post by whiterabbit on Nov 26, 2017 23:09:54 GMT -5
I'll play. I'm usually OK with a little more weight, as long as the package isn't jabbing me here and there while I'm wearing it. Here's what I ended up with: ![](http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=188039&d=1487048360) ![](http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=207545&d=1510470542) I just checked on the kitchen scale. 38 oz. Kinda heavy. That's unloaded, without leather. And there is no metal on that gun that is not steel. The bearcat or Walther seen there are significantly, significantly lighter. Possibly combined. Loaded. But for packin' heat, that vaquero can fire a 300 grain bullet at no mean speed, 1300 fps or so. Give it some meplat like the LEE 300 grain bullet and I would not want to be on the receiving end of that revolver, nor does any brown bear I know. And most people I know in-person don't want to be at the shooting end of it, either! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Dennis on Nov 26, 2017 23:42:36 GMT -5
That has got to be an Aluminum frame and ERH, no? Yes. In keeping with the lightweight goal... Dennis.
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Post by seak89 on Nov 27, 2017 2:28:48 GMT -5
I still always brings to my mind the young wife with a kids on her hip all day and into the night and still getting the house clean and food cooked. Women do amazing things one handed.
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Post by Steve on Nov 27, 2017 7:25:05 GMT -5
Lots of good points here. It appears it is always a trade off for weight, caliber, projectile, strength (which equates to max load) preferences and esthetics. Then there are the questions of method of carry and your usual wardrobe as in belt, no belt etc. When you add all these choices and look at the fact that this post alone goes on for 6 pages most of which are related to how many ounces for "packin." I guess we will never run out of conversation.
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Post by bula on Nov 27, 2017 9:45:29 GMT -5
Maybe it was Ayoob ? That said something along the lines of, a carry gun should be comforting, not comfortable. To properly pick a packin' pistol you will have to define that niche for YOU. The anticipated needs, wants, threats to be deterred,etc.. Have seen too many folks show up for classes/courses with full size tweeked 1911's but admit they carry a 38 J-frame. Most here will aline with John Taffin's PPP and John Linebaughs opinions on hip packable choices. A year or so back I passed up on a lighter yet SW44 329PD for the M69, due to shootability. When critters and varmints topped out at coyotes of various numbers of legs I was happy with my 44spec Bulldog and the 44spec NM Vaq Sheriff. Bears now frequent my 'hood and the coyote numbers continue to climb, so wanted the upgrade in power. Guess where I'm going with this is choose your cartridge first, platform second(we can argue that'n) and how light you can go and shoot well 3rd.. This is all personal, subjective stuff,so..
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Post by Steve on Nov 27, 2017 11:11:03 GMT -5
I have heard that, comforting versus comfortable, quote attributed to either Tiger McGee or Clint Smith. The best part of all this is as many say, "there is no such thing as perfect" and I will say, it is sure a fun pursuit searching for the "Perfect" Packin Pistol.
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Post by kings6 on Nov 27, 2017 11:16:48 GMT -5
I too have read that phrase in Clint Smith articles but who knows if he is the originator. So much depends on where a person is carrying as well. Even though my little 41 Special is light, it is not my first choice for carry in my holster shirt when I attend church. The flat little Kahr gets the call there.
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Post by bula on Nov 27, 2017 11:38:04 GMT -5
Clint Smith , likely your memory better than mine,ok. I'll stick with my often said, YOU have to define the niche. A Kahr P-9 has accompanied me to Church many times. A nephew needed it more, so..
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Post by bradshaw on Nov 27, 2017 12:20:02 GMT -5
“... a carry gun should be comforting, not comfortable.”
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BULLROAR. A carry gun must be comfortable. Are we expected to hike hill & dale in boots that kill our feet?
Why, then, pack a pistol in such fashion as to wrench our hip or back out of joint? A little common sense goes a long way. Prefer cargo pockets to store items which otherwise I might be forced to sit on, wallet included. A good handgun wants good leather. A good body wants to stay good and to stay good the good handgun it carries wants to be carried in a good holster. A good holster protects the body as well as the handgun. Having spent a good part of the previous weeks armed in rather exhilarating terrain, I’d be crippled if the revolvers carried contradicted, rather than complimented, my activity. Two revolvers, one at a time, participating:
1) Smith & Wesson Model 29, .44 Magnum, 4-inch, weight a) with blended factory Gonzalo Alves, 43.8 ounces (2 lbs, 11.8 oz). b) with Pachmayr small size Presentation, 45.2 ounces (2 lbs, 13.2 oz).
.44 Mag ammo 6 rounds: Sierra 210 JHC; 22.5/296; CCI 350; Fed brass=4.85 ounces. 6 rounds: Federal 44A 240 JHP=5.3 oz.
The little M-29 spending most of these days wrapped in a pair of small Pachmayr Presentations, and loaded with the Sierra 210 JHC, for a weight of 50 ounces (3 lbs, 2 oz).
2) Ruger 03, .45 Colt, 5.5-inch, weight a) with faux ivory, 48.1 ounces.
.45 Colt ammo 6 rounds: cast 335 LFN GC (deep seat); 20/H110; WLP; Fed brass=6.4 ounces.
The Ruger 03, loaded w/six 335 LFN GC, abides 54.5 ounces (3 lbs, 6.5 oz).
I would rather trek three pounds in comfort, than two pounds in aggravation. David Bradshaw
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Post by jayhawker on Nov 27, 2017 15:02:04 GMT -5
Well said David.
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Post by rWt on Nov 27, 2017 16:57:19 GMT -5
“... a carry gun should be comforting, not comfortable.” I remember reading that expression in some of Jeff Cooper's writings.
Not sure if he was the originator or the earliest repeater that I remember. I believe that Clint Smith would have gotten it from Jeff.
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Post by kings6 on Nov 27, 2017 17:04:54 GMT -5
The Clint Smith article I was reading had him talking about IWB carry of a full size 1911 so I understand the not comfortable part.
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