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Post by rjm52 on Mar 27, 2017 7:54:55 GMT -5
My favorite round/gun combination is a 1911 in .38 Super... Have carried a Commander daily since 1980. Mild recoil, high velocity and extremely accurate... I have one of those MP molds. Cast some up a couple of months ago but have not had the time to size/lube them. My favorite cast bullet for the Super is the SAECO 383 140 grain TC. They are also now available from Montana Bullet Works. To look at it one would think it would never feed but it runs 100% in all my Supers and the 9mms I have tried it in... 6.0 grains of Unique run 1240 fps fom a 4.25" Commander barrel... 50'
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Post by geezerd on Mar 27, 2017 8:53:36 GMT -5
Over the years I have owned a number of 9mm pistols. Glock 19 and 26, Browning High Power, Sig 229, and a couple others. About 3 years ago, I bought a Wilson Beretta 92, one of the best shooting 9mm pistols I have ever owned.
I have never considered using cast bullets in a 9mm self defense handgun. I carry and practice with the same load. Usually it is Hornady Critical Defense or Federal HST. If I am using it as a house gun, It is loaded with Liberty +P. If I was going to shoot it a lot, cast bullets would make a lot of sense.
Is anybody using cast bullets for SD ? ----------------------------------- GeezerD
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Post by boolitdesigner on Mar 27, 2017 9:18:36 GMT -5
Guess that depends on your needs and expectations. I don't doubt that they shoot good. However if you want low recoil and accuracy in a 9mm bore gun the 38 Super with the heavier bullets have proven to be the proper path. Had a shooter show up a while back with a super accurate 1911 9mm that was put together by Jim Collins. The gun shot good but it recoiled like a 45 wadcutter gun. If the recoil is equal and you only make a .355 hole as opposed to a .452 hole why bother with the .355 The point is I don't make a 9mm hole......... I shoot hollow point cast bullets. Alloyed and loaded right, they will kill like a 45 caliber bullet. An attribute since they expand to .45 caliber and above while wrecking havoc on the animals insides. A lot of deer and various vermin have died to them over the last 45 years. I NEVER depend on solids to kill something unless I were going to be shooting big bitey, scratchy animals. Then they would have a cup hollow point on them.
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Post by sportster on Mar 27, 2017 18:02:27 GMT -5
I have two of them, a FN FNP9 and a CZ P-09 with threaded barrel because sometime I like a quiet gun. If I had to choose between the two I would choose the CZ every single time. Not saying that the FN is bad but the CZ shoots easier than the FN.
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Post by AxeHandle on Mar 27, 2017 19:38:39 GMT -5
And the mismatch rears it's head... I don't kill with a .355 bore gun. I make holes in paper. The 9mm makes a .355 hole. The 45 makes a .451 hole. My .356/.357 bullets run at just about 700 FPS out of my 38 Super... It functions 100%, recoils like a 22, and shoots good at 50 yards..
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Post by rjm52 on Mar 27, 2017 20:44:33 GMT -5
How light a spring do you use???
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Post by AxeHandle on Mar 27, 2017 20:51:41 GMT -5
I run what the gun builder says run... Best I remember it is 10# spring
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Post by bradshaw on Mar 27, 2017 22:25:54 GMT -5
2 Dogs.... one thing we’ve learned about the 9mm Luger, it is a projectile dependent cartridge. The ball round really made its reputation as a burst-fire weapon in submachine guns on battlefields and against civilian populations, most luridly World War Two. I like the cartridge with some ambivalence: depends on expectations. Expectations, in turn, depend on projectile.
And I share your doubt about the .40 Smith & Wesson, a round which murdered its far brighter parent, the 10mm Auto. The argument for the 10mm was POWER. The argument for the .40 Smith & Wesson was LESS RECOIL, which was then married to SMALLER GUN. In fact, a major promotional angle of .40 S&W centered on clothing it in a 9mm pistol. The 9mm and .40 are good shells in a narrow power band. That power band miss hunting and field work, jobs into which the 10mm Auto has some legitimacy and the .44 Magnum sails. The .44 shares this landscape with a hand loaded .44 Special, the .41 Mag and the .45 Colt.
Back when we shot up cars, the .38 Special and 9mm Luger had problems with windshields and car doors, especially hardware like window tracks. This emphatically includes ball, which lived up to its flagrant reputation for ricochets. Low and behold, the somnambulating .45 ACP ball rounds was better on sheet metal than the Nine Mike-Mike. Even with Federal’s Sierra 185 JHP the .45 Auto was better against auto body than the 9mm. We didn’t have the .40 in those days so that shotgun wedding of ballistics cannot be included. When the Model 29 came out of the leather its first job was to shoot through bumper, trunk, back & front seat and mess up the dashboard. Which invitation the .44 satisfied. Likewise a Model 57 .41 Mag, followed by an old model Blackhawk in .45 Colt stoked with Hornady 250 JHP over 22/H110. Ed Verge had trimmed the Blackhawk .45 to 4-3/4”, the Colt length.
Fermin, you inspire a look at the 9mm Luger, nearly an invitation to the dance. David Bradshaw
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Post by AxeHandle on Mar 28, 2017 6:46:03 GMT -5
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Post by dougader on Mar 28, 2017 11:19:24 GMT -5
That's the one I got, Axe. I ordered the plain base with the intent of powder coating the relatively "soft" hp slugs. I was going to run them about 900 - 1000 fps and look for the best blend of accuracy and hp performance. I figure to start with W231 and work my way through Red Dot, Universal, VV3n37 and Blue Dot. I have 9mm Glocks and a 9x23 Winchester, and thought to cast some for an OM 357 BH.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Mar 28, 2017 14:20:16 GMT -5
Let me see if I can get this discussion back on track....
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Post by 2 Dogs on Mar 28, 2017 14:21:35 GMT -5
9mm is the ONE caliber I have owned and never loaded for. I am not a fan of 9's, plastic guns, or striker fired weapons. However my Sig P320 is a handgun I would have no reservations staking my life on. I have owned it since they first appeared and it has never failed. Not a single malfunction of any type...ever! Accuracy is better than any 9mm I have ever owned. Hitting steel at 75 yards is a regular occurrence. A friend and I got a consecutive numbered pair and his experience has been the same as mine. They really are FINE pistols and is my normal CCW now. Dan Thanks. I am really looking forward to getting a couple 320s! There are also some videos of Max Michel doing some impressive speed work with them on the web.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Mar 28, 2017 14:23:23 GMT -5
I take it that means we are NOT bumping the bullet weight up to 150? Stan, I would be happy to bump up a second buy for a 147-150 grain class 9mm slug. IF the demand is there. Right now we are staying with the 125.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Mar 28, 2017 14:24:35 GMT -5
The original works and shoots quite fine in the 9mm, 38 Super and 9mm Largo without the need for more weight. The hollow point version is lights out on vermin. Here you go guys. Bob would know. I made the mistake of buying a 2 cavity mold. Now I want 2 FOUR cavity molds!
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Post by 2 Dogs on Mar 28, 2017 14:25:57 GMT -5
I just picked up the Miha .359-147-GC-HP last year. Got mine without the GC with the intent of powder coating the hp bullets and running them about 1,000 fps. Do you think I've cast even a single one? castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?300603-MiHec-9mm-147gr-GC-HP Excuse me while I put salve on my bed sores from sitting too long on this dang couch! Here you go Stan. You can see if Miha has any of these left and go play Bullseye to your hearts content.
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