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Post by cherokeetracker on Jan 8, 2017 18:07:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the answer. Man, that is a lot of shooting,,,,,,, There was an old saying that practice makes perfect. Well That saying is dead wrong !!!!! But! Perfect practice, makes perfect. I do not know if Todd has, or had, a coach, but that sort of shooting is phenomenal. There are individuals that stand out or stand apart in these shooting disciplines, and people like me would need a coach and to replicate the same or more of that amount of shooting.
On the note of shooting in competitions, honing your skills by shooting under pressure, against others who are better, usually pushes you to get better. I also learn a lot right here.
Charles
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Post by jsh on Jan 8, 2017 18:25:18 GMT -5
Dick, do you have any input on the 610 running the 40SW in them?
I have tossed it around myself. But, my out come running 38's through a 357 didn't give me what I had always been told. Thought maybe it was just the gun, until I tried the same in another 19, along with a couple of GP's.
Jeff
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Post by contender on Jan 8, 2017 20:05:03 GMT -5
Dick is right about Todd. He's a regular in my neck of the woods. We've gotten to know each other a bit.
And his sub 3 second El Prez,, was recorded by Michael Bane,,, and I USED to have it on video,,, (until Miss Penny accidentally recorded over it.)
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Post by sixshot on Jan 9, 2017 2:34:15 GMT -5
Jeff, not many shooters shot the 610's in competition, most of them preferred the 625's. There were a few reason's for that, first the 45 had a bigger hole in the cylinder so it was suppose to be faster to load, I proved that theory wrong after my son got my cylinder chamfered correctly. There were probably only 2-3 revolver shooters in the country that could unload & reload one faster than I could the last 2 years I competed. I didn't start USPSA until I was 58 years old & in 2 years I was #1 in the nation in "A" class revolver & #5 overall. There was only 1 Grand Master at that time, Jerry Mickelek & there were 3 masters & then me. I actually shot somewhere in between those 3 Masters but the qualifier score was thrown out for everyone that day, it was the only qualifier I ever fired in all those years that was ever thrown out. A cheater from Wyoming had bombed it & on a technicality pressured them into throwing it out for everyone. I had actually fired above 100% on that qualifier. It was possible to do at that time.
The 40 caliber was usually a bit more accurate than my 45 caliber revolvers, not by a lot but always by some. In my 40's I shot a 205 gr. RN bullet & it only took 3.7 grs. of WST to make major power factor all over the western US, it never, ever failed me. The long bearing surface kept the pressure up I think & that was why it took such a small amount of powder to make major. You did have to keep your cylinder throats clean just like shooting 38's in a 357 magnum. I rarely ever cleaned the barrel shooting the 205 gr. cast bullet, never needed to. I just cleaned the cylinder & lubed the front & rear of the cylinder & went to the next match.
Every year they have an ICORE match at Ft. Collins, Colorado (Weld County) it's called the Rocky Mountain Regional Revolver Championships. I had never shot ICORE before so 5 of us went over 2 years in a row & shot it. It takes in Kansas, Iowa, ND, SD, Nebraska, Montana, Colorado, Wyoming, Utah & Idaho. I won it both years with the 610 40 caliber & the first year I won another 625. I'll have to post a photo of the trophy's they handed out, they misspelled it the first time & it said. First Place, Stock Six Shoot (Shot) Revolver Class. There was also an Open Revolver Class that was won by Bud Bond & he was an amazing shooter with an 8 shot gun, scope & muzzle brake, there were a few times he gave Jerry Mickulek fits!
Dick
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Post by contender on Jan 9, 2017 10:01:28 GMT -5
Revolver shooting in USPSA is a lot of fun. I started USPSA in 1998. I used a 1911 for a long time,,, and in the last 1-1/2 year I've been using a S&W 646 in 40 cal. I'm really enjoying it. I may have to look into a cast slug,,, in the 200 grn range,,, & WST myself.
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Post by cherokeetracker on Jan 9, 2017 10:11:02 GMT -5
There are a lot of us on this forum who strongly urge guys to take up the art of bullet casting. Some of us talk about how much control we have over this or that and how rewarding the whole experience can be. Obviously we do our best to field questions when guys reach out to us on the forum as nobody understands how frustrated they can be as those of us who have been there and done that. Here, I am going to just point out a couple of things that I try to look out for and avoid at the same time. One of the things I am always telling the guys who still shoot traditional cast bullets with real bullet lube in the groove is to look at the muzzle of the sixgun. You should see a "star" of lubricant. This is very good. It tells you your bullet lube is making it all the way to the muzzle. Here is photo of the new custom Douglas barrel I installed on my .44 Magnum Bisley given to me by my buddy Jeff. I call it Hoover's Hammer. This is a good example of what you want to see.  Any suggestions when you have a blued gun? After shooting, I don't see this star. Maybe the light is not quite right. Oh and yes I was shooting cast. |
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Post by bigbrowndog on Jan 9, 2017 12:10:37 GMT -5
. There was also an Open Revolver Class that was won by Bud Bond & he was an amazing shooter with an 8 shot gun, scope & muzzle brake, there were a few times he gave Jerry Mickulek fits!
Dick, I have t heard Bud's name since the American Handgunner world shootoffs disolved!!! He was indeed quite a shooter, and super nice guy.
Trapr
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Post by 2 Dogs on Jan 9, 2017 13:26:15 GMT -5
Any suggestions when you have a blued gun? After shooting, I don't see this star. Maybe the light is not quite right. Oh and yes I was shooting cast.
A lube star should be just as evident on a blue gun.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Jan 9, 2017 13:31:39 GMT -5
He was over heard before the match mentioning to a friend the web of his hand was a bit sore from shooting and this smart ass leaned over and said "gotta shoot more and toughen it up mate". He looked him in the eye and said his gun had fired 300,000 rounds that year, how much should he shoot?
I was a member and competitor of that same club with Seyfried. There were a number of Gunsite Instructors who taught under the Gunsite banner "Rampart". I remember them talking about it. The figure Ross used was 80,000 not 300,000. 1978 or 1979 I believe.
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Post by sixshot on Jan 9, 2017 17:01:24 GMT -5
Bud Bond died a few years back while setting up the Weld County range for a match, had a heart attack. He was truly an amazing shooter & very fast out of the holster! His first shot on target was as fast as anyone I ever witnessed, he paid me the same compliment. In steel matches Bud was one of the few threats in the nation to give Jerry Miculek a run for his money. Drawing fast was one thing, drawing fast & hitting the target was another, Bud could do both, plus he was a really great guy, everyone liked Bud Bond. Berry Bullets was one of Bud's sponsors, Accurate Powders was another, he liked Accurate #2 in his 38 special loads.
Bud & I were good friends & I talked him into going to a steel match in Dubois, Wyoming once. It was an annual match & drew a lot of shooters from 5-6 states with a cash payback. Bud entered with his open class 8 shot revolver against the open class race guns (hi capacity semi autos) & he nailed them! It was amazing because there were some good shooters there. I won the revolver class & broke all but 2 of the records for revolver division on all the different stages.
Fermin is correct about that lube star, you should be able to see it but if you are having trouble take a piece of white paper & lay over the muzzle & press down lightly, it should show a perfect lube star that way. If not it could be a lube problem or a crown problem. If you have an Optivisor they come in handy to see with, I have to use one.
Dick
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Post by bigbrowndog on Jan 9, 2017 18:44:56 GMT -5
I d o recall hearing about Buds death on FB. He was always friendly and a true gentleman, it was sad to hear of his passing. There were many man on man shoot offs, in the finals between Jerry and Bud at the AH event.
Sorry for the hijack, but seeing Buds name mentioned just brought back some good memories.
Trapr
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Post by 2 Dogs on Jan 9, 2017 18:52:55 GMT -5
I d o recall hearing about Buds death on FB. He was always friendly and a true gentleman, it was sad to hear of his passing. There were many man on man shoot offs, in the finals between Jerry and Bud at the AH event. Sorry for the hijack, but seeing Buds name mentioned just brought back some good memories. Trapr I'm sorry you lost your friend. I have one at deaths door with stage 4 cancer myself. Really makes you take a look at things differently. As to hijacking, well, that's just the way it is on these kinds of threads.... Oh, and one more thing for my friend Bill Fowler. Almost nobody had a progressive loader way back in 78 or 79. Even those that did would be hard pressed to find the time to produce 25000 rounds a month and then shoot them. Additionally, the power factor was 180 as I recall. That was pretty hard on the guns of the time. I remember on a single stage press pushing hard to load 100 rounds a day.... |
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Post by mike454 on Jan 9, 2017 19:09:20 GMT -5
I know Ross loaded on a Star progressive that he bought from a retiring custom loader. It was a nice little machine for the time, but to crank out enough for his shooting must have kept him very busy. Pretty sure he told me he loaded the better part of 1,000,000 on that loader.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Jan 9, 2017 19:12:34 GMT -5
I know Ross loaded on a Star progressive that he bought from a retiring custom loader. It was a nice little machine for the time, but to crank out enough for his shooting must have kept him very busy. Pretty sure he told me he loaded the better part of 1,000,000 on that loader. I never asked him about it. But to reach his skill level he had to have one. No question you are absolutely correct in my mind. |
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Post by sheriff on Jan 9, 2017 19:34:25 GMT -5
The department I worked for had a Star back in the mid 70's for the pistol team to load on. With all four of us filling tubes/ replacing same, the best we could do was around 800 rds per hour if memory serves me right (and that's iffy anymore) Ross had to have been a hustling on his Star.
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