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Post by coldcase1984 on Jun 16, 2015 22:26:37 GMT -5
I wants one. Woods Crusher/Town Cannon w quick reload of .45 Super. Rational me notes it weighs -empty- about as much as two G19s for urban use.
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Post by rgp on Jun 16, 2015 22:58:55 GMT -5
Seems to me this would be pretty ideal for a good "one size fits all" double action sixgun. I don't know if I'll get one or if I'm just blowing hot air but I think I'd like it.
It looks like Ruger paid attention to what a lot of customers wanted.
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Post by bigbores on Jun 18, 2015 8:02:34 GMT -5
I would love to see the S&W Model 69 chambered like this.
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Post by bearbait1 on Jun 19, 2015 10:28:06 GMT -5
Big,
When the 69 arrived, folks were speculating about 45's in the frame/gun size. The current cylinder diameter of the 69 appears to be too small for a conversion, or even a straight chambering from Ruger, without modding the frame to accommodate a slightly larger cylinder. Just not enough material in the existing cylinder to bore/rebore and have enough "meat" left over.
Craig
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Post by cherokeetracker on Jun 20, 2015 9:57:23 GMT -5
Personally I think this platform would be great for a 460 Rowland. I would have to decide if I wanted to change the chamber on the 45 ACP cylinder or just get a third cylinder. Nothing against the ACP so, I would probably opt to the extra cylinder. There would not be much if anything gained, I realize this. It is just something else to play with. I figured you might agree with me Craig.
Charles
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Post by mbaneacp on Jun 20, 2015 22:20:35 GMT -5
Gonna pick mine up next week...just in time since Hamilton Bowen got my knockaroun 2.75 inch .44 Maggie Redhawk to smooth out and pretty up. Ed Head did our comprehensive test on the gun for DOWNRANGE.tv...I plan to run it with heavy bullet .45 ACP and the heavy Garrett .45 Colt. I'll let you guys know if I don't die from Carpel tunnel syndrome.
Michael B
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Post by taffin on Jun 21, 2015 11:01:47 GMT -5
Personally I think this platform would be great for a 460 Rowland. I would have to decide if I wanted to change the chamber on the 45 ACP cylinder or just get a third cylinder. Nothing against the ACP so, I would probably opt to the extra cylinder. There would not be much if anything gained, I realize this. It is just something else to play with. I figured you might agree with me Craig. Charles YTHERE IS NO EXTRA CYLINDER! THE SAME CYLINDER WORKS FOR .45 COLT AND .45 ACP WITH CLIPS. I EXPECT THE .460 ROWLAND AND .45 WINMAG WILL ALSO WORK. I WILL FIND OUT THIS WEEK
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Post by bearbait1 on Jun 21, 2015 11:21:41 GMT -5
Charles,
I am trying very hard to talk myself OUT of picking one up. Yes, I shoot supers, Rowlands and with my 625, AR. The Rowlands would help mitigate the bullet jump to throat, even if you only used the Rowland brass for more sedate loads. I guess 45 win mag brass might help this more, but I have zero experience with the WM. I got back into 45 Colts with the purchase of a Colt NF during the winter. This gun sorta hits me as possibly useful, for what I reload.
Another thing to consider would be that many folks have converted the older 45 Redhawks to 454 (another for which I reload), by using a Super cylinder. This certainly puts more revolvers into this conversion pool.
Right now I want to see where the street price settles at, and I'd like to see more feedback from folks using them with acp, and the accuracy. My 625 is stunningly accurate, and while I love the concept of cartridge interchangeability, accuracy has to be at least decent, for me. This revolver for me would substitute 45 Colt for 45 AR, as compared to my 625. And bring an additional couple of hundred fps to the table, over the 625. And I need to do a little more research on grips, and that rounded grip frame.
Mr. Bane, Jeff Quinn's review shows shooting with one version of the heavy Colt loading. Recoil looks "brisk", to be sure. It "looks" an awful lot like me shooting 300 grain plus type 454's out of my 4.75 FA 454.
One thing to consider if you have not is that with heavy 45 acp's, bullet creep can, well, creep in. Much like the 50 AE in a revolver. I have this sorted out with a roll crimp in my 625, with the ACP's and AR's, with 250-260 grain weight bullets. The moon clips give you ability to pretty much duplicate anything you want to do with rimmed cases, regarding the case mouth.
Good luck with the shooter torture test, I will certainly be looking forward to your results.
Craig
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Post by cherokeetracker on Jun 21, 2015 14:33:43 GMT -5
First off thank you Mr. Taffin, for your help. I am anxious to learn about what all this pistol will handle. I have the 45/45ACP Bisley conversion. I was thinking Extra Cylinder. I hang my head in shame for not thinking about Moon clips. Appreciate the wake up call.
Craig I have used the 255, 260, and some 300 gr with the ACP You are right, I call it the "3 Cs" Creep Calls for Crimp. I am real funny huh
Charles
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Post by bearbait1 on Jun 21, 2015 20:02:25 GMT -5
Charles,
There's always something gettin' in the way with guns, once you step outside the traditional box for pressure, bullet weight etc..I have noticed that you have been thinking 625JM from your post's on the S&W board. Looks like Ruger has thrown you the old Contemplation Curveball, for your decisions. And mine.
By the way, creep can also call for less powder, or bullet weight. Or Moon clips. How's about "creep calls for crimp, or wimp"?
Yea, I'm not too funny either.
Craig
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Post by bagdadjoe on Jun 22, 2015 9:23:34 GMT -5
I think most of the negative feedback comes from those who would trade off this gun for the first 10+ round auto with a flashlight rail and other tacti-fool junk, that passed by and think they had something.
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Post by cherokeetracker on Jun 22, 2015 9:46:03 GMT -5
Charles, There's always something gettin' in the way with guns, once you step outside the traditional box for pressure, bullet weight etc..I have noticed that you have been thinking 625JM from your post's on the S&W board. Looks like Ruger has thrown you the old Contemplation Curveball, for your decisions. And mine. By the way, creep can also call for less powder, or bullet weight. Or Moon clips. How's about "creep calls for crimp, or wimp"? Yea, I'm not too funny either. Craig Craig You have to have me confused with someone else. I have been working on heavy loads, But I have not been on the S&W forum in awhile. Although I like the 625JM I am not thinking of getting one. But you are right about the "Curveball" This would be my first choice on a DA IF it is going to be able to do what I want. If not then I will have to go back to the drawing board as they say. Look again at SRH in 454 In retrospect,,,, "gettin in the way" That is why it takes a lot of engineering to design a GOOD firearm. Even loading a 1911 hot w/heavy bullets, calls for spring replacements, maybe a buffer and even,, can need a compensator, or brake. Charles
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Post by bearbait1 on Jun 23, 2015 9:46:27 GMT -5
Charles,
Thanks for the clarification. This other gent uses Cherokee.
Yes, the 1911 can get by with minor mods when doing 45 acp+p or low level Super. Much more, and things get lively, quickly. I have never been able to warm up to the aesthetics of the SRH. The versions with the barrel only to the end of the frame extension look fine to me, but the barrel length itself is too short for my needs. So I guess I like curveballs. Or perhaps, choices.
Looks like Mr. Taffin is gonna wring this RH well, looking forward to his complete review.
Craig
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Post by cherokeetracker on Jun 28, 2015 11:40:58 GMT -5
Gonna pick mine up next week...just in time since Hamilton Bowen got my knockaroun 2.75 inch .44 Maggie Redhawk to smooth out and pretty up. Ed Head did our comprehensive test on the gun for DOWNRANGE.tv...I plan to run it with heavy bullet .45 ACP and the heavy Garrett .45 Colt. I'll let you guys know if I don't die from Carpel tunnel syndrome. Michael B Michael, I read the reviw on the Downrange.tv site. Ed was saying that he was going to be shooting the 45 Colt caliber with a 325 grain bullet. I did not see the tests results yet. Also you stated and I am quoting you on this you plan to run the gun with the Garret 45 Colt. I did not know Randy Garret was making the ammo in 45 colt. Can you give me a few specifics on this ammo? How hot and what grain etc etc? I made the statement about this Pistol possibly being a platform for the 460 Rowland. I do realize a few things about that. I would like to know the pressure rating on this gun. I called and ask but was told that this information was not available, to the public. I was very curious about all this, since I was thinking that in order to get very high on the pressures, and to be shooting what I would call Hot loads, I probably would want an Unfluted cylinder. As Probably everyone knows this,,,, just bare with me. 45 ACP 21000 PSI or 18000 CUP 45 ACP +P 23000 PSI 460 Rowland 40,000 PSI 45 Winchester Magnum 40000 CUP 45 Super 28000 PSI For those not familiar, now you can see why John Taffin said, HE, would not recommend shooting the 45 Mag or the Rowland out of this pistol. I think it could prove to be detrimental to Moon Clips. and could be very disappointing in results it might bring to the shooter. Why not just go buy a SRH ? I have one in 454 caliber. But I like the idea of a lighter and smaller gun. In the single action department, I have two BHs in the 4 5/8 barrel length. The Red Hawk usually had a little longer cylinder, so that a person could opt for longer cartridges, So maybe, just maybe with a different cylinder and a muzzle brake, It might be possible to open a door to a handful of fun and excitement, in this smaller package. What a curve ball,,,,,eh Craig? You know I could just load the Rowland long..... For those not familiar, the Rowland is loaded to the length of 1.275, and that is the same as the 45 ACP. The reason that it cannot be used in the 45 ACP chamber is because the Rowland case is 1/16" longer. If you load the bullet to a longer length then you are reducing the pressure, but you are changing the characteristics of the round. Another curve ball... I have not put the pencil to it, but the velocity is going to be changed. So you are losing benefits, and you might as well go back to the 45 Super. Yes? no? I would like to see if I could wear out a pressure test barrel. HAA I could leave this Pkg alone and probably be happy for the most part. I can get by with shooting Colt 45 ammo loaded to the "Ruger only" specs, such as a 280 grain about 1100 FPS and then play with super ammo or some + P with moon clips. This was mainly food for thought, and I do think outside the box as much as I can, sometimes it does not get me tooo far. LOL I like the fact that this pistol has the triple lock up. It's tough not to be thinking more along the lines of the S&W 625 JM because of the full length lug. And I do like their trigger. But I would not be shooting competition with this Pistol of Ruger's. So it would probably fill the want,, for taking to the field. Get a good load for both 45 Colt and something in the 45 ACP department, and I think you would have a winner. I have been trying to get my single Action Ruger convertible in order, so I have plenty to work with anyway. I am looking forward to any and all reviews on the gun. feel free to give us reports and post targets if you can. Charles
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Post by robl on Jun 29, 2015 13:19:42 GMT -5
I had this done to a 45Colt MG a few years ago, and loved it. Like JT Mentioned the S&W is a racehorse, this new Redhawk, I HAVE MINE! Is a realm Clydesdale Workhorse! I have a spring kit in it and it feels great. I need to post some pics and targets asap.
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