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Post by hunter01 on Dec 27, 2023 18:20:37 GMT -5
So glad you or your son were not hurt!! Good on you for being a great, protective Dad Regarding hogs and charges. I went on a guided hog hunt up around Crossville, TN many years ago. My guide had an impressive scar that a hog had graciously given him. It started on the inside of his right leg, right at the ankle "protrusion", ran up the length of his calf and exited at his knee. I don't remember how many staples it needed, but it was a lot. Don't remember if he killed the hog or not. Chris I have a friend that died from a hog charge. Hunting alone in the dark. Hog got him down and ripped open his left thigh. Bled out right there. Took a day and a half to find him. Needless to say, no open casket. Hence why I put hogs on the "Dangerous game" list. I agree if you are making noise, a hog will normally go in ANY other direction, but there is always that "one". Not much different in my mind than bears. Ya just never know... Yes sir. Id believe 99% of hogs are as dangerous as 99% of black bears….that is to say, not very. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m not going out to try and pet either one, and I’m not dumb enough to mess with the kids even when dealing with 2 legged mommas!
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Post by woody on Dec 27, 2023 18:47:56 GMT -5
I have a friend that died from a hog charge. Hunting alone in the dark. Hog got him down and ripped open his left thigh. Bled out right there. Took a day and a half to find him. Needless to say, no open casket. Hence why I put hogs on the "Dangerous game" list. I agree if you are making noise, a hog will normally go in ANY other direction, but there is always that "one". Not much different in my mind than bears. Ya just never know... Yes sir. Id believe 99% of hogs are as dangerous as 99% of black bears….that is to say, not very. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m not going out to try and pet either one, and I’m not dumb enough to mess with the kids even when dealing with 2 legged mommas! My guide on my bear hunt this year had some awesome/scary stories while tracking wounded bears over 30 years. The whitetail hunter in me would have walked right up to my sons bear. Not even considering it may still be alive and pissed off. He said hold up let me check it(Glock 20 in hand) handed me the shotgun. It was stone dead.
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Post by hunter01 on Dec 27, 2023 19:17:15 GMT -5
Yes sir. Id believe 99% of hogs are as dangerous as 99% of black bears….that is to say, not very. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m not going out to try and pet either one, and I’m not dumb enough to mess with the kids even when dealing with 2 legged mommas! My guide on my bear hunt this year had some awesome/scary stories while tracking wounded bears over 30 years. The whitetail hunter in me would have walked right up to my sons bear. Not even considering it may still be alive and pissed off. He said hold up let me check it(Glock 20 in hand) handed me the shotgun. It was stone dead. ANYTHING wounded, man or beast, becomes exponentially more dangerous if they have even an iota of will to live!
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Post by bigbore5 on Dec 27, 2023 19:55:36 GMT -5
There's at least one person a year that would disagree with the stance that black bear aren't dangerous that isn't a bear hunter. All houndsmen have seen or will see exactly how dangerous they can be.
As to dogs, most healthy adults are not in danger of being killed by one if they fight. Do not run or cower.
As to being armed, all Southern Gentlemen are expected to be armed with a suitable knife and pistol. I know this because my Great Grandmother and Grandma taught us the history and my Grandfather lived it and expected the sons and grandchildren to as well.
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Post by gnappi on Dec 27, 2023 19:56:52 GMT -5
Remembering the "Cautionary tale" header... Reply from MR (The whole quote is MR's but I made part of THEIR text bold) "The BFR was never intended to half cock. Because the cylinder is not being fully indexed with the "half" cock, it does not function correctly when cocked again. You should either leave the hammer down or all the way back." Quote off So "if for ANY reason" the hammer fails to fully cock, the BFR does not function correctly when cocked again. Well, there it is from the horses mouth! I tried 3 other BFR’s and it was very hard to MAKE this happen, but as evidence by my 454 and your gun, some of them are more picky than others. I still think they are awesome guns and the best there is for the money. I’ll just try really hard to cock them all the way when I’m fighting off the teeth and claws. There's no doubt of their quality in my mind, I did not mean to besmirch the brand at all.
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Post by drycreek on Dec 27, 2023 21:33:05 GMT -5
Nothing to add to this conversation concerning BFRs, but I have a couple hog stories.
One of my best friend’s nephew shot a good sized boar hog at last light and it got up and ran. After he exited his blind, he went to look for the hog with a flashlight and a 9mm Glock. The hog was still very much alive, knocked him down and cut him badly right next to his anus. The poor guy drove himself to the hospital and arrived in the nick of time. If the hog had continued to attack him he would probably died as he bled profusely from the wound. Said Glock was never fired, it happened too fast. He recovered of course, but that was a really close call.
My son and his friend were working on their deer lease when they spotted two boars together. His friend shot one dead. He goes to drag the dead hog away and the companion hog runs out of the woods and attacks him, knocked him down, rolled him over, then ran off. Miraculously, the guy had just scrapes and bruises.
Year before last, my son, (on the same lease), tried to get a twofer when he lined two hogs up, a sow and a boar, and shot them with his 7mm Mag. They both ran into the thick brush. After he sat for awhile hoping to see a deer, he went looking for the hog(s). He was using a TC Encore at the time. Wading through the brush, he found both of the hogs wounded, but still on their feet. When he saw the sow he shot her, and the boar, (which he hadn’t seen yet), charged him. Imagine using a single shot rifle in that scenario. The brush was thick, the boar couldn’t take a straight line to him, and he got his rifle loaded in time to shoot the boar about 15’ from him.
Hogs aren’t dangerous as a rule, but they can be on occasion. I’ve had a couple of standoffs myself, but the only ones that have ever charged me were in a corral trap. Even though you know they can’t get to you it’s still like holding your hand on the glass when the rattler strikes.
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Post by bigbore5 on Dec 27, 2023 22:10:52 GMT -5
Any animal that's wounded is potentially dangerous. Look how many hunters have been killed by Blackbuck! Larger animals,such as moose or bear, can be very dangerous.
Unattended and improperly trained dogs kill more humans in a year than black bear have in 100. In that same hundred years,black bear have killed almost three times as many humans as the grizzlies. So why does the general ideal of a handgun for defense against animal attacks focus on bear?
There is no better defense against an attacking dog than a 38 loaded with ratshot. Two shotshells, followed by three or four 110gr hollow points will do fine even if attacked by two or three dogs. Every time. Every day.
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Post by 45MAN on Dec 28, 2023 19:40:32 GMT -5
43 YEARS AGO I WAS WHITEWING DOVE HUTING DOWN IN MEXICO. A LARGE GROUP OF US WERE HUNTING A VERY LARGE FIELD OF SORGHUM. CLOSE TO ME WAS MY 5 YEAR OLD SON JOHN AND A 12 YEAR OLD BIRD BOY FROM THE LOCAL Ejido (FARM CO-OPERATIVE) WHERE WE WERE HUNTING. PLENTY OF SHOOTING AND VOCALS GOING ON WHEN SUDDENLY A SOW, WITH HER HAIR ON HER BACK BRISTLING, COMES OUT OF A DRY, BRUSHY Arroyo (A DRAW), AND ATTACKS THE BIRD BOY, KNOCKS HIM DOWN AND IS ATTACKING HIM. I GET UP CLOSE WITH MY WINCHESTER MODEL 42 410 AND SHOOT THE HOG AMIDSHIPS, SHE STAGGERS BACK AND DIES. THE BIRD BOY WAS SCARED S...LESS BUT FORTUNEATELY ONLY HAD A SMALL CUT ON HIS FACE BUT HE COULD JUST AS EASILY HAVE SUFFERED A MORTAL WOUND. THE SOW HAD SOME PIGLETS DOWN IN THE Arroyo AND ALL THE NOISE PROBABLY CAUSED THE CHARGE. IT TAKES LONGER TO TELL THE STORY THAN THE TIME IT TOOK TO HAPPEN.
THOUGH TECHNNICALLY NOT HOGS, A COUPLE OF WEEKS BACK THE GRANDSON OF AN ACQUAINTANCE OF MINE WOUNDED A JAVELINA WITH A BOW AND WENT AFTER IT ON HAND AND KNEES IN THICK BRUSH AND THE JAVELINA ATTACKED AND TORE HIS ARM UP.
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