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Post by bigbore5 on Dec 17, 2023 22:45:47 GMT -5
Been funny if she'd told Ronnie," Why yes I am!"
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Post by contender on Dec 18, 2023 9:55:39 GMT -5
I have heard the comment about tools & guns & prostitutes long ago,, and only had one opportunity to use it. It's a perfect analogy of things when trying to get a female type who is against guns to stop & realize they are wrong.
I often say; " Guns are nothing more than man made, mechanical objects,, only doing what the operator tells it to do. They do not have any mental capacity to act independently. Basically, a simple tool." But once,, I was doing a presentation where the purpose was to try & put together a group of people to figure out more ways to restrict guns. It was told to me it was to be a "debate" about guns & violence. It was not. Not balanced, not a debate,, but instead a place people could stand & present a viewpoint, with maybe taking a few questions. I was told that both sides of the issue would be equally represented. It wasn't. Luckily,, I was able to be the strongest person presenting,, as I backed my presentation with books & facts,, available to all to see. I even challenged the audience to not believe me,, or what I presented,, but to actually do an educated study using the facts,, in the books I had with me. I told them that I'd be available afterwards if anybody wanted to get the names of the books & the authors. Three ladies did so. But during part of my presentation, I used the "prostitute analogy" and the looks I get were "interesting."
But back to the OP & what happened.
He used a tool (the gun,) as well as his body to protect his son. A simple fact of defense of others. Something often ignored by many. Sadly,, too many people fail to get a proper education on such matters.
But again, back to the OP. His changing of holsters cost him time. Split seconds count. It's the skills we develop by a LOT of practice,, that develop our motor memory skill level to the point of action vs thought out reaction.
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Post by RDW on Dec 18, 2023 11:11:20 GMT -5
I have heard the comment about tools & guns & prostitutes long ago,, and only had one opportunity to use it. It's a perfect analogy of things when trying to get a female type who is against guns to stop & realize they are wrong. I often say; " Guns are nothing more than man made, mechanical objects,, only doing what the operator tells it to do. They do not have any mental capacity to act independently. Basically, a simple tool." But once,, I was doing a presentation where the purpose was to try & put together a group of people to figure out more ways to restrict guns. It was told to me it was to be a "debate" about guns & violence. It was not. Not balanced, not a debate,, but instead a place people could stand & present a viewpoint, with maybe taking a few questions. I was told that both sides of the issue would be equally represented. It wasn't. Luckily,, I was able to be the strongest person presenting,, as I backed my presentation with books & facts,, available to all to see. I even challenged the audience to not believe me,, or what I presented,, but to actually do an educated study using the facts,, in the books I had with me. I told them that I'd be available afterwards if anybody wanted to get the names of the books & the authors. Three ladies did so. But during part of my presentation, I used the "prostitute analogy" and the looks I get were "interesting." But back to the OP & what happened. He used a tool (the gun,) as well as his body to protect his son. A simple fact of defense of others. Something often ignored by many. Sadly,, too many people fail to get a proper education on such matters. But again, back to the OP. His changing of holsters cost him time. Split seconds count. It's the skills we develop by a LOT of practice,, that develop our motor memory skill level to the point of action vs thought out reaction. I heard that analogy a long time ago, Believe it or not it was a Politician. I thought it was perfect.
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Post by reflex264 on Dec 19, 2023 18:48:48 GMT -5
First off glad both of you are OK. I carry a G23 in A DeSantis friction rig when out for woods walks. I have been atacked by coyotes twice. I had Doc stich me up a Hank Sloan for a 4" N Frame. Gun is shielded, no retention except for adjustable friction. It makes for a really good walk about rig. If I am out and possibly in harms way I am really hesitent to carry anything with a loop or strap. The Hank Sloan is a great option for carrying a revolver that needs to stay ready.
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Post by bobwright on Dec 19, 2023 21:19:21 GMT -5
I carry a Ruger Single Action Blackhawk as my daily sidearm. Since I'm in an urban envoirment, I prefer no retention device. I am pretty well practiced that when I grasp the gun but, my thumb is in contact with the hammer spur. Its my thinking that thongs, straps, shirts or jackets that require lifting with the off hand, may likely get you killed. At my age, I do no strenous flips, rolls or hanging upside down. This my preferred rigs: Bob Wright
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Post by bigbore5 on Dec 19, 2023 23:10:34 GMT -5
There's hills,rocks, brush,etc to trip over, fall down,get tangled in,etc here on my place.
There's tractor work, running equipment, ATV, horses,stock to work with,brush to cut, etc.
Without a retention strap I would be without a gun. Pulling the long tail I have left on all my holster straps is part of the draw. Picking it up on Mr. Keith's advice on holsters in Sixguns, the release of the strap is just part of the draw. After nearly 40 years of it, I am not slowed at all.
For comparison my draw to first round on target from my competition rig with a 1911 is .47. It's .46 on average with the 4" Service Six from a Galco Pancake strongside carry. Used to be faster,but I am older. Takes longer to react to the timer. That's a standard popper at 10yds.
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Post by reflex264 on Dec 20, 2023 8:16:21 GMT -5
There's hills,rocks, brush,etc to trip over, fall down,get tangled in,etc here on my place. There's tractor work, running equipment, ATV, horses,stock to work with,brush to cut, etc. Without a retention strap I would be without a gun. Pulling the long tail I have left on all my holster straps is part of the draw. Picking it up on Mr. Keith's advice on holsters in Sixguns, the release of the strap is just part of the draw. After nearly 40 years of it, I am not slowed at all. For comparison my draw to first round on target from my competition rig with a 1911 is .47. It's .46 on average with the 4" Service Six from a Galco Pancake strongside carry. Used to be faster,but I am older. Takes longer to react to the timer. That's a standard popper at 10yds. I have a long strap rig too from Simply Rugged for Ruger Blackhawks. I am used to it as well. One smooth motion pulls the strap and I grip it on the way up. Clears leather pretty quick. If I have to have retention this is my prefered rig.
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Post by bobwright on Dec 20, 2023 22:25:55 GMT -5
As I noted, those rigs were for urban carry. If I am in a more rugged envoirment/endeavor, I too, use a retaining strap. This old holster is one I made some forty years ago or so: Another attempt at holster making from days of yore: Bob Wright
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Post by drycreek on Dec 20, 2023 23:22:34 GMT -5
Pretty good attempts IMO Bob ! The top one looks like George Lawrence would be proud to sell it……..
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Post by bigbore5 on Dec 21, 2023 6:17:28 GMT -5
Those are nice shucks
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Post by bobwright on Dec 21, 2023 11:45:51 GMT -5
Ha! The veruy first holst I made was an original creation for a Super Blackhawk. At the time I knew nothing about pattern making, so the Super Blackhawk holster ended up being a pderfect fit for a Single Six! Bob Wright
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Post by reflex264 on Dec 21, 2023 11:51:20 GMT -5
Found a pic of the holster with a strap. This thing works well. It's a Simply Rugged holster.
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Post by messybear on Dec 23, 2023 9:31:20 GMT -5
Very interesting thread and hats off to ya burn for taking care of the situation. I have many holsters with and w/o straps. My straps are always either tucked or removed. Very seldom use them. Through various dirt bike wrecks and clumbsyness while out and about hunting or choring, I have never lost one. One time after a wreck, I began looking for gun before I realized it was still there haha. So it’s something I have pondered alot as we raise bison and am with them often. They are similar to a bear in the fact that they can move so quickly. One only has to be in a confined area a short time with them to see the speed and agility they possess. I try to never rely on the gun but rather in not putting myself in those places that are tight. I have drawen and shot one time. So I think about access and mobility alot. Thanks for posting
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Post by kooz on Dec 23, 2023 11:16:29 GMT -5
Very interesting thread and hats off to ya burn for taking care of the situation. I have many holsters with and w/o straps. My straps are always either tucked or removed. Very seldom use them. Through various dirt bike wrecks and clumbsyness while out and about hunting or choring, I have never lost one. One time after a wreck, I began looking for gun before I realized it was still there haha. So it’s something I have pondered alot as we raise bison and am with them often. They are similar to a bear in the fact that they can move so quickly. One only has to be in a confined area a short time with them to see the speed and agility they possess. I try to never rely on the gun but rather in not putting myself in those places that are tight. I have drawen and shot one time. So I think about access and mobility alot. Thanks for posting +1 I work as a ranch manager on the western slope of Co. and so am always in rough country doing chores or on some type of equipment and have yet to loose a gun because it was not tied down . I would also add, that the holster has to be matched to the activity, gun and build of the wearer. For years I used traditional leather El Paso Threepersons or Bianchi Lawman holsters with the strap tucked behind the belt , but got tired of my guns getting hung up on stuff and making getting in and out of Bobcats, UTV's and tractors a big PITA . Cross draw rigs make the situation better , but still a pain in some equipment, like Bobcats with safety switch armrest . I have been using these chest rigs from gunfighters for the last couple years . Huge improvement over traditional belt leather for most of what I do here. gunfightersinc.com/kenai-chest-holster/They make them for revolvers and autos . I can keep a full size BH .45, N-frame or M&P .45 auto on me all day and forget that it is even there . No retention devices and one handed draw . I know some people will cringe at using kydex for a revolver , but what works works .
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Post by paul105 on Dec 23, 2023 13:01:10 GMT -5
Just a quick note on muscle memory. Yrs ago I shot a ton of skeet with different shotguns. For a while I mixed in an 18" Rem M870 riot gun. After a month or so of shooting 100rnds plus a week with the 870, I switched back to my Win 101 over and under. At station one, trying to shoot doubles, I couldn't "pump" that O/U for the second bird.
That memory is seared in my brain and I only use double action handguns with no safety for personal defense.
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