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Post by gnappi on Dec 24, 2023 13:53:01 GMT -5
Here's specifically how / when mine occurs.
Slowly cock the hammer and with the empty gun pointing down range watch the cylinder notch on the LEFT side of the top strap and just as the leading edge of the notch starts to disappear under the top strap, let the hammer fall or let it down gently.
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Post by bigbrowndog on Dec 24, 2023 14:15:29 GMT -5
Gnappi my point is mis manipulation can cause a malfunction in any machine. It doesn’t mean there is a fault in the machine. You admit to mishandling the hammer, either by purpose or accident.
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Post by gnappi on Dec 24, 2023 14:21:50 GMT -5
I admitted no such thing, I said that my thumb due to an injury exhibited it, and I also illustrated where in the field a decision to NOT fully cock a revolver and let the hammer fall would not be mishandling?
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Post by hunter01 on Dec 24, 2023 14:32:26 GMT -5
I see both sides of the argument. The gun was designed to be fully cocked and let down. Deviating from that isn’t a design flaw per se, but I can also see a few different situations where $hit happens and you are left standing there with your thumb up your butt and a bound up revolver. I’ve only checked my 454. I have four other BFR’s I will be checking asap and hope it’s an anomaly.
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Post by bigbrowndog on Dec 24, 2023 14:51:41 GMT -5
To illustrate why no SAO revolver for dangerous game, I discovered that my BFR will NOT fire after a failed half cock without rotating the cylinder by hand to the next chamber. The BH and Fa do not have this issue.
I noticed it after a right thumb connective tissue injury made cocking sometimes inconsistent. For sure post your results and any others here who own a BFR
the above is your post Gnappi,….
How do you fail to half cock or inconsistently cock your revolver if not by mishandling or improper weapons manipulation?? This is where you admitted you mishandled or improperly manipulated the gun. If I misread your comment by all means please disregard my assumption.
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Post by gnappi on Dec 24, 2023 14:55:19 GMT -5
Whatever . There is no reason to continue
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Post by bigbore5 on Dec 24, 2023 23:19:08 GMT -5
Okay. After you clarified what happened, I was able to cause the same malfunction with mine. It can happen.
However I have never seen it before without actually trying to cause it and I do hunt Dangerous Game with a single action.
I had been carrying a Reeder built Redhawk for most my hunting for many years, but have changed to the bfr. I really don't think it's worth changing back over. It's not hard to tie-up a double action under stress either.
I understand that you discovered this because of an injury. My advice is to avoid dangerous game hunting until you are 100%. They're called Dangerous Game for a reason.
In the past year-and-a-half, I have had 5 heart attacks. Doc's think it was viral. Anyhow, I have not been actively hunting bear this year. First season in over 40 I'm not following hounds. I could try, but don't feel 100% sure. So I stay home and have the dogs looking at me funny.
And yes, I managed to get the same malfunction from a Blackhawk. Not every time, but it's doable. Just like it's not hard to lock up a double action.
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Post by seminolewind on Dec 25, 2023 10:39:52 GMT -5
This was a worthwhile discussion even if it did get a little sideways. I was able to recreate the malfunction with my BFR from the description gnappi gave. Now I know this malfunction is possible if I screw up cocking the hammer, which is a good reminder with any single action I handle.
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Post by gnappi on Dec 25, 2023 11:20:13 GMT -5
This was a worthwhile discussion even if it did get a little sideways. I was able to recreate the malfunction with my BFR from the description gnappi gave. Now I know this malfunction is possible if I screw up cocking the hammer, which is a good reminder with any single action I handle. Agreed. Why I was attacked so vehemently I have no clue, but it's something beyond the scope of this discussion. Anyway, I have over a dozen Rugers SA's and more than that in S&W DA/SA and no way no how can I replicate this issue with any of them no matter how slowly I cock the hammer, or dance around and throw bones in the fire.
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Post by parallaxbill on Dec 25, 2023 14:27:47 GMT -5
Praise the Lord!
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Post by lobo on Dec 26, 2023 17:57:44 GMT -5
So glad you or your son were not hurt!! Good on you for being a great, protective Dad Regarding hogs and charges. I went on a guided hog hunt up around Crossville, TN many years ago. My guide had an impressive scar that a hog had graciously given him. It started on the inside of his right leg, right at the ankle "protrusion", ran up the length of his calf and exited at his knee. I don't remember how many staples it needed, but it was a lot. Don't remember if he killed the hog or not. Chris
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Post by Burnston on Dec 26, 2023 22:29:38 GMT -5
So glad you or your son were not hurt!! Good on you for being a great, protective Dad Regarding hogs and charges. I went on a guided hog hunt up around Crossville, TN many years ago. My guide had an impressive scar that a hog had graciously given him. It started on the inside of his right leg, right at the ankle "protrusion", ran up the length of his calf and exited at his knee. I don't remember how many staples it needed, but it was a lot. Don't remember if he killed the hog or not. Chris Incidentally, my most trusted rig for my 21 is a Lobo Threepersons with hammer thong, going strong since 2015.
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Post by x101airborne on Dec 27, 2023 7:47:21 GMT -5
So glad you or your son were not hurt!! Good on you for being a great, protective Dad Regarding hogs and charges. I went on a guided hog hunt up around Crossville, TN many years ago. My guide had an impressive scar that a hog had graciously given him. It started on the inside of his right leg, right at the ankle "protrusion", ran up the length of his calf and exited at his knee. I don't remember how many staples it needed, but it was a lot. Don't remember if he killed the hog or not. Chris I have a friend that died from a hog charge. Hunting alone in the dark. Hog got him down and ripped open his left thigh. Bled out right there. Took a day and a half to find him. Needless to say, no open casket. Hence why I put hogs on the "Dangerous game" list. I agree if you are making noise, a hog will normally go in ANY other direction, but there is always that "one". Not much different in my mind than bears. Ya just never know...
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Post by gnappi on Dec 27, 2023 10:41:07 GMT -5
This was a worthwhile discussion even if it did get a little sideways. I was able to recreate the malfunction with my BFR from the description gnappi gave. Now I know this malfunction is possible if I screw up cocking the hammer, which is a good reminder with any single action I handle. Agreed. Why I was attacked so vehemently I have no clue, but it's something beyond the scope of this discussion. Anyway, I have over a dozen Rugers SA's and more than that in S&W DA/SA and no way no how can I replicate this issue with any of them no matter how slowly I cock the hammer, or dance around and throw bones in the fire. Remembering the "Cautionary tale" header... Reply from MR (The whole quote is MR's but I made part of THEIR text bold) "The BFR was never intended to half cock. Because the cylinder is not being fully indexed with the "half" cock, it does not function correctly when cocked again. You should either leave the hammer down or all the way back." Quote off So "if for ANY reason" the hammer fails to fully cock, the BFR does not function correctly when cocked again.
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Post by hunter01 on Dec 27, 2023 18:17:40 GMT -5
Agreed. Why I was attacked so vehemently I have no clue, but it's something beyond the scope of this discussion. Anyway, I have over a dozen Rugers SA's and more than that in S&W DA/SA and no way no how can I replicate this issue with any of them no matter how slowly I cock the hammer, or dance around and throw bones in the fire. Remembering the "Cautionary tale" header... Reply from MR (The whole quote is MR's but I made part of THEIR text bold) "The BFR was never intended to half cock. Because the cylinder is not being fully indexed with the "half" cock, it does not function correctly when cocked again. You should either leave the hammer down or all the way back." Quote off So "if for ANY reason" the hammer fails to fully cock, the BFR does not function correctly when cocked again. Well, there it is from the horses mouth! I tried 3 other BFR’s and it was very hard to MAKE this happen, but as evidence by my 454 and your gun, some of them are more picky than others. I still think they are awesome guns and the best there is for the money. I’ll just try really hard to cock them all the way when I’m fighting off the teeth and claws.
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