HadesMN
.240 Incinerator
Southern MN
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Post by HadesMN on Mar 18, 2023 15:18:35 GMT -5
Hadesmn.... don’t worry about trajectory. Expect a .45 ACP sighted @ 25 yds to land 12” to 18” low @ 100 yds. Half the drop from a 10mm Auto. For your best chance to record trajectory, set the cardboard vertical. If you have a spotting scope or binocular, use it. Try to call each shot, and keep a notebook. David Bradshaw Nah, I didn't mean that I was worried about trajectory. The 10mm is a sweet round and I only bought that to deer hunt with. So I've spent a little amount at 50yds seated and standing off hand. I guess I was just commenting that it shoots sweet, and I'm capable at 50, maybe stretching to 70-75 but have never tried it a 100yds. Maybe an easier gun to try at 100 than an open sight blackhawk? Idk.. It's just a big jump and probably gets in my head more than anything. I've taken the M&P 9mm and my RIA tac ultra HC 9mm back to 85ish and was able to hit my 16" gong more often than not. I won't claim every hit but it was better than 50% The delay between shot, report, and clang is pretty funny! You definitely have some time to process that and I grin like a fool every time! I probably hold over a little bit on those an am hitting the bottom of the gong. Misses are hard to spot aiming at the other ones and I've never got out cardboard to 'dial' it in because I'd rather practice with the bigger rounds at that point if I'm going through the trouble. Thats just not group shooting though and when I benched and bagged it at an actual 100yds it was worse than the offhand which wasn't that much closer. I know I'm my own worse enemy when shooting for groups much further back than 30-40 yards.
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Post by LeverGunner on Mar 18, 2023 16:13:09 GMT -5
... and keep a notebook. David Bradshaw What kind of notes should one keep?
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Post by bradshaw on Mar 18, 2023 16:19:57 GMT -5
... and keep a notebook. David Bradshaw What kind of notes should one keep? ***** * Gun & load data. * Distance & drop. * Group data. * Shot calls----if you check each shot. * Weather & light conditions. * Date. Data may become very useful later on. David Bradshaw
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Post by LeverGunner on Mar 18, 2023 20:45:38 GMT -5
What kind of notes should one keep? ***** * Gun & load data. * Distance & drop. * Group data. * Shot calls----if you check each shot. * Weather & light conditions. * Date. Data may become very useful later on. David Bradshaw Thanks! I've never kept notes on my shooting, just load notes. Course I haven't been very active in long range handgun shooting. I can see why it would be useful for shorter ranges too. I'll have to start keeping a note pad handy.
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Post by flyingzebra on Mar 19, 2023 5:18:14 GMT -5
On our property we have steel targets at the usual distances between "right there" to 100 yards, and at many distances out to a few hundred yards, with target positions out past 1000 yards
For many reasons, handguns are practical here past 100 yards and get used on the 100 yard steel targets often
100 yards isn't far, and the targets will let you know which handguns are useful at that distance
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cmillard
.375 Atomic
MOLON LABE
Posts: 1,951
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Post by cmillard on Mar 19, 2023 12:41:52 GMT -5
Well, took the Garrison out on another windy day. Target at 110 yards. Wind had a pretty big effect on the target, with the far target barely seen on the left was my aiming point. 147 Zero JHP and Longshot powder.
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Post by oddshooter on Mar 19, 2023 13:15:23 GMT -5
David,
You continue to amaze me with your sighting advice. Statements I have never heard or read.
noisy target plain cardboard to keep focus on front sight. cardboard visible on both sides. no light between sight and target.
This is the stuff that keeps shooting enjoyable for me. Moving off plateaus can be tough. Thank you pardner, Prescut
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callshot
.327 Meteor
Living another day in the worlds largest playground
Posts: 780
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Post by callshot on Mar 20, 2023 13:52:19 GMT -5
After shooting a rock chuck, with sixshot watching me, with a 44 Special, iron sights, off hand and one shot only. We didn’t have the range finder that day so stepping it off we figured it was 181 yards. Later I ranged it to be about 155 yards. After that I was ask to give a lecture of sorts on long distance shooting. I prepared it but when time to give it they made up an excuse so I never gave it. I still have the notes in a box with my Stetson hat. Another time I got a chuck at 96 yards, ranged to be sure, with a FA 83 in 41 mag. And another day a chuck at 94 yards also ranged with the 44 Special. All with iron sights. I did range a ground squirrel at 86 yards and got it. Even if a few of these were under 100 yards it still was fun to hit something at that distance. I used to practice shooting milk jugs of water at 100 yard with a Redhawk 41 Mag. With a scope. I’ve missed shots at all distances just like the rest of us here.
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Post by sorehandluke on Mar 20, 2023 23:43:20 GMT -5
No can do these days. In the 1970s-1980s I used a Ruger .44 with an 8 3/8" barrel (adjustable irons) to shoot groundhogs at a 100 or even 125 yards. It was sighted at 100 using my own loads. IMR 4227, a 225 grain SJHP, large pistol primer and a heavy crimp. Today I couldn't hit a washing machine at 100, my eyes are AFU, can't see both sights at the same time. You kids have all the fun.
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Post by Cholla on Mar 21, 2023 5:07:14 GMT -5
Ten years ago when I first bought my Flat Top Blackhawk .44 Special, all fired from a benchrest- More recently with my mud fence ugly S&W Hand Ejector .44 Special, seated, back-rested (This one is currently at Alan Harton's getting its sights "modernized")- Once holdover is figured out, 100 yds. is pretty easy with the Model 10's as they're typically quite accurate with most any load- If I can ever get all the fences on the property finished, I'm going to delve back into this 100 yd. fun!
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cmillard
.375 Atomic
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Post by cmillard on Mar 22, 2023 15:35:29 GMT -5
Took the tisas tanker commander out again to 110 yards. Finally, no wind. Not too shabby.
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rufus
.30 Stingray
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Post by rufus on Mar 24, 2023 14:23:59 GMT -5
Practicing for 100 or more yards is really simple. You guys keep using a 12" gong as a reference. What size is that gong at 7 yards. That would be 0.84" (a little over 3/4"). Simply have that size of target at 7 yards and shoot at it offhand. I've had people say that's easy, I can hit that. Try, I said with the trial being they never touched it. You can embarrass yourself with this procedure if you aren't careful. When you can do it every time, then try a longer distance or a smaller target. There are quite a few people who do this that will separate you from your money this way. I know what you are trying to say here and I appreciate it but I question the math ? According to what I figure it would be a 1.5” target at 25 yards or .75” at 12.5 yards still quite a challenge btw. My math may be off y’all check me. Interesting way to do it for folks without access to a longer range. Thanks all. David
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Post by bradshaw on Mar 24, 2023 15:04:57 GMT -5
Practicing for 100 or more yards is really simple. You guys keep using a 12" gong as a reference. What size is that gong at 7 yards. That would be 0.84" (a little over 3/4"). Simply have that size of target at 7 yards and shoot at it offhand. I've had people say that's easy, I can hit that. Try, I said with the trial being they never touched it. You can embarrass yourself with this procedure if you aren't careful. When you can do it every time, then try a longer distance or a smaller target. There are quite a few people who do this that will separate you from your money this way. I know what you are trying to say here and I appreciate it but I question the math ? According to what I figure it would be a 1.5” target at 25 yards or .75” at 12.5 yards still quite a challenge btw. My math may be off y’all check me. Interesting way to do it for folks without access to a longer range. Thanks all. David ***** Distance introduces challenges not known up close:* The 3rd focal plane (target) stretched far from 1st focal plane (front sight), and 2nd focal plane (rear sight). * Trajectory. * Wind. * Light. * Atmosphere. David Bradshaw
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rufus
.30 Stingray
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Post by rufus on Mar 24, 2023 15:09:37 GMT -5
I know what you are trying to say here and I appreciate it but I question the math ? According to what I figure it would be a 1.5” target at 25 yards or .75” at 12.5 yards still quite a challenge btw. My math may be off y’all check me. Interesting way to do it for folks without access to a longer range. Thanks all. David ***** Distance introduces challenges not known up close:* The 3rd focal plane (target) stretched far from 1st focal plane (front sight), and 2nd focal plane (rear sight). * Trajectory. * Wind. * Light. * Atmosphere. David Bradshaw Understood and probably others including light and wind but still something to try for the folks that can only shoot up close. Edit I see you have light and wind already 😀
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Post by boolitdesigner on Mar 24, 2023 17:53:45 GMT -5
Practicing for 100 or more yards is really simple. You guys keep using a 12" gong as a reference. What size is that gong at 7 yards. That would be 0.84" (a little over 3/4"). Simply have that size of target at 7 yards and shoot at it offhand. I've had people say that's easy, I can hit that. Try, I said with the trial being they never touched it. You can embarrass yourself with this procedure if you aren't careful. When you can do it every time, then try a longer distance or a smaller target. There are quite a few people who do this that will separate you from your money this way. I know what you are trying to say here and I appreciate it but I question the math ? According to what I figure it would be a 1.5” target at 25 yards or .75” at 12.5 yards still quite a challenge btw. My math may be off y’all check me. Interesting way to do it for folks without access to a longer range. Thanks all. David 12" gong at 100 yards is base size....... 7 yards / 100 yards x 12" = 0.84" This gives direct size reduction at reduced yardages. Your example: 25 yards / 100 yards x 12" = 3" or as an easy way would be 1/4 of 12" = 3" Once you can do this, it isn't as hard as it seems to be. Try it.
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