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Post by Lee Martin on Jan 13, 2023 9:09:29 GMT -5
I never built a clone of the Lion Hunter, though the thought crossed my mind. Instead I just did a .218 Bee on a Blackhawk. But no doubt, reading about Steve Matthes was 100% the reason I did so. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Chasing perfection five shots at a time"
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Post by gunsbam45 on Jan 13, 2023 12:25:54 GMT -5
Well, you guys might not have a practical reason for building one, but I do. I AM going to kill a lion with mine even if I do have to practice up on mostly coyotes and bobtailed mini lions first!
Tell us about your .218 Bee loads for your custom Blackhawk Lee...
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Post by Lee Martin on Jan 13, 2023 12:36:50 GMT -5
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Post by gunsbam45 on Jan 13, 2023 12:52:48 GMT -5
Thanks Lee. That was a good read. I'm just now getting serious about .32 H&R loads and it's interesting to me the speed you get with the 46 grainer and 10 grains of 4227 compared to what 10 grains shows with a 100 grain .32 load. Looks like the one powder I don't have that many say is great in the .32 H&R is Longshot.
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Post by 45MAN on Jan 13, 2023 13:56:47 GMT -5
I HAVE FOUND H4227 TO BE A VERY GOOD POWDER FOR REVOLVERS IN 32-20, 25-20 AND 22 K-HORNET. ON MY "TO DO LIST" ARE TRYING H4227 IN A 22 SUPER JET. I HAVE THE FIX'ins FOR A K FRAME 218 BEE (BARREL, 22lr JET CYLINDER AND A DONOR K FRAME) AND IF I EVER PULL THE TRIGGER ON IT I WILL TRY H4227 IN IT.
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Post by Lee Martin on Jan 13, 2023 14:05:59 GMT -5
The .22 Super Jet is one I always wanted to play with. What do you shoot it in? As for H4227, they discontinued it. IMR 4227 does about the same however. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Chasing perfection five shots at a time"
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Post by gunsbam45 on Jan 13, 2023 16:03:16 GMT -5
It's my understanding that the original IMR4227 no longer exists. What Hodgdon now sells under the IMR line it bought out, which is now labeled as IMR4227 is NOT IMR4227, but it is actually the original Australian made Hodgdon H4227 RELABELED as IMR4227, even though the actual IMR4227 no longer exists other than in left over containers in people's personal stashes. I have heard repeatedly that the reason for this was that IMR4227 always outsold the Hodgdon 4227, but another powder mimicked the true IMR 4227, so they got rid of it and relabeled their own 4227 as IMR, and there wasn't enough difference to be dangerous, so no big deal, but Hodgdon H4227 data is the right data for the new IMR4227 by Hodgdon coming out of Australia. AND, of course, that means it'd be good to know when your manual was made for loads listed for "IMR4227"... All this said, if it turns out I'm wrong, it's not my fault, it's the internet
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Post by Lee Martin on Jan 13, 2023 18:36:58 GMT -5
That's good to know. I naively assumed the current IMR 4227 was the same as the old. If it's really the old H4227, then that explains why it does about the same as the H4227 I used to shoot. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Chasing perfection five shots at a time"
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 13, 2023 19:30:50 GMT -5
That's good to know. I naively assumed the current IMR 4227 was the same as the old. If it's really the old H4227, then that explains why it does about the same as the H4227 I used to shoot. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Chasing perfection five shots at a time" ***** Two Brazilian silhouetters arrived in Idaho Falls for the IHMSA Internationals with one pistol; that’s all Brazil Customs would the two shooters carry out. Loaned them my Freedom Arms M83 .44 Mag 10-inch, along with my sight dope and Kentucky tips for Revolver, as I would not be able to spot. Lacking ammo to see them through, I rounded up Sierra 240 JHC, brass and mag primers. Couldn’t locate powder but somehow a big plastic bag of Hodgdon 4227 dropped in my lap in the nick of time to one load ‘em 23 or 24 grain loads. My dope was IMR 4227, but I told the Brazil duo to stick with my sight dope and go for broke. One or both trophied with smiles hitched over both ears. I don’t bat an eye substiting one for the other 4227. have done the same in Unlimited with IMR 4895 and H4895. My opinion from the Firing Line, there’s more difference in the labels than the powder. David Bradshaw
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Post by gunsbam45 on Jan 13, 2023 19:47:55 GMT -5
Good to know David. I'm getting ready to take my pound of the newer IMR4227 and make up some .32 H&R loads with standard Winchester primers and however much powder it takes to shake down just at the base of some 110 LFNGC from Montana Bullet Works on new Starline brass with a set of RCBS dies that have never been used and see what gives.
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