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Post by Rimfire69 on Mar 12, 2018 10:04:18 GMT -5
The 30-30 has always intrigued me in these things, even though I don't really care for the long cyl look. I guess I just like anything 30-30. As far as the sharp edges concerned, my .500 will slice you up, and it does. The loading gate is very stiff and hasn't loosened any with use yet.
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Post by Quick Draw McGraw on Mar 12, 2018 17:07:23 GMT -5
Sharp edges... I too have dealt with this. My .500 S&W busted the knickle of my trigger finger open on one particular day. Ouch.
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Post by whiterabbit on Mar 12, 2018 17:20:53 GMT -5
M also curious about the 30-30 BFR for a buddy. He wants a long range revolver, and I think this might just be the ticket. Assuming the cylinder is good to 65 ksi like the 460 and 500 S&W cylinders, then a 30-30 loaded with a decent 168 or 175 grain 308 cal bullet could be shot pretty flat, pretty far.
Has anyone ever tried that in a BFR? Any luck?
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Post by whitworth on Mar 12, 2018 21:00:01 GMT -5
M also curious about the 30-30 BFR for a buddy. He wants a long range revolver, and I think this might just be the ticket. Assuming the cylinder is good to 65 ksi like the 460 and 500 S&W cylinders, then a 30-30 loaded with a decent 168 or 175 grain 308 cal bullet could be shot pretty flat, pretty far. Has anyone ever tried that in a BFR? Any luck? A lot more meat in a .30-30 cylinder than the .460 and .500 so I’m sure they can be loaded pretty warmly.
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Post by bradshaw on Mar 13, 2018 8:03:18 GMT -5
M also curious about the 30-30 BFR for a buddy. He wants a long range revolver, and I think this might just be the ticket. Assuming the cylinder is good to 65 ksi like the 460 and 500 S&W cylinders, then a 30-30 loaded with a decent 168 or 175 grain 308 cal bullet could be shot pretty flat, pretty far. Has anyone ever tried that in a BFR? Any luck? ***** What is all this jive about the superiority of a match rifle bullet with long-tapering heal in a revolver? Well, maybe he’ll take this arrangement and blow Eric King and other IHMSA silhouetters off the firing line, folk who play the 500 meter game. No, I haven’t tried the BFR .30-30, let alone with 168 and 175 grain boattail hollow points. Before doing so, I’d try them in a T/C Contender .30-30----actually a great pistol----and milk ‘em out to the aforesaid 500 meters. A dirty little secret of very slippery bullets is sensitivity to launch environ. Another specific consideration is twist, and the Contender barrel with 1:10-inch twist may help to hone in on a twist for the revolver. (Thinking more in line of 1:6-inch or 1:8.) Never mind that development of these match bullets nowhere specifies their accuracy survive the jump cross a barrel/cylinder gap, and the forcing cone, with LEADE much steeper than the rifle leade. I’m all for this working out and sit the edge of my chair in anticipation of earthquake revelation. I currently enjoy a tough enough time @ 100 yards with sixguns, snowshoes, and freezing fingers under purple Northern skies. It is a lot of work having fun, yet, we must continue. A note on Ballistic Coefficient with long, slippery bullets: yaw increases drag, reducing ballistic coefficient. Would not be surprised to find the old Speer 180 Spitzer Flat Base holding velocity, along with accuracy, better than either match bullet @ 500 meters. As Max Prasac indicates, the experiment may not fail due to pressure, i.e., revolver weakness. Despite .30-30 brass, which isn't intended for modern rifle pressures, it is loaded with some success hotter wildcats. For loading the .375 Super Mag of Elgin Gates, I preferred extraction with the harder .375 Winchester brass. Most brass is manufactured as a consumable----without consideration for reloading----.30-30 a shining example. I have a feeling that ACCURACY----not ballistic coefficient----will determine bullet selection. David Bradshaw
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Post by whiterabbit on Mar 13, 2018 11:08:44 GMT -5
Excellent response as always sir. His motivation in the discussion was borne out of our range trip last weekend, where I was able to get repeat hits on an (admittedly large) target at 480 yards with my BFR in 460S&W. I was not shooting Hornady or Barnes whizz-bang 200 grain bullets over 50 grains of H110, I was copying a 45/70 type load using 4198 and using a 425 grain cast bullet more suitable for BPCR use. Of course recoil was stout and the drop was significant and had to be dealt with, but the point is clear. And jives 100% with what you are implying.
Perhaps the better question I should be posing is, what are those IHMSA shooters using to reach 500 meters?
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Post by bradshaw on Mar 13, 2018 20:48:20 GMT -5
Excellent response as always sir. His motivation in the discussion was borne out of our range trip last weekend, where I was able to get repeat hits on an (admittedly large) target at 480 yards with my BFR in 460S&W. I was not shooting Hornady or Barnes whizz-bang 200 grain bullets over 50 grains of H110, I was copying a 45/70 type load using 4198 and using a 425 grain cast bullet more suitable for BPCR use. Of course recoil was stout and the drop was significant and had to be dealt with, but the point is clear. And jives 100% with what you are implying. Perhaps the better question I should be posing is, what are those IHMSA shooters using to reach 500 meters? ***** No surprise at all, IMR 4198 screaming accuracy from the .460 S&W. I used it in the .357 Maximum with memorable performance on the firing line. The long stick powder is slow for the Maximum, yet seems with appropriate HOLDBACK, to rock a heavy bullet to sleep. The powder itself sleeps until awakened, which means, do not light-charge it. Your heavy bullet in the .460 gave 4198 the chance to come alive. Light loading IMR 4198 may produce huge velocity swings, which in turn string shots vertically, the slowest shot striking highest on the target, the fastest shot striking lowest. A report on your long range endeavors, with photos, is welcome on the forum. David Bradshaw
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Post by whiterabbit on Mar 14, 2018 10:55:24 GMT -5
Oh Sure. So, the target is huge, and of the 5 hits visible, I in honesty shot at it 25 times. So, basically one hit per cylinder. AND the wind was weak that day. On the other hand, it was my first time shooting pistol (any, ever) past 100 yards. Also, my scope started falling apart (reticle position is fine for now), so I didn't want to adjust for elevation. I was aiming at a bush 10 yards above the elk. Not the greatest for uniformity in shooting. But 480 yards is 480 yards . I'm actually impressed with how flat the elevation is on the hits on the target. I even got a video of the 5th hit, but not sure how to upload that just yet. Still debating, because my hand position for that shot string was terrible, and I was slipping out of my weak hand during recoil. I tell you what though, it REALLY makes me want to buy a leupold EER scope (any, because the first 15 shots were at 2x on the scope and it was not a burden at 480 yards) and send it to leupold for a CDS dial just so I can dial in any yardage and have at it. sounds incredibly silly, but the ding of large steel at 480 with a 425 grain bullet moving 1430 fps just feels really good.
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Post by whiterabbit on Mar 14, 2018 11:01:49 GMT -5
OK, I figured out how to post a video to youtube. This was the last shot out of 25 or so. Forgive the crappy technique please! The elk is the white dot near the top of the hill, middle of the video. Hard to see at this resolution. I was aiming at the bush line above the target, slightly to the left.
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Post by foxtrapper on Mar 14, 2018 11:31:38 GMT -5
Nice shootin Tex! Beautiful country!
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Post by jjsharpshooter on Mar 16, 2018 9:23:36 GMT -5
Update on my BFR 500 JRH, I'm shooting 500 Specials in it and a few times after a shot the hammer wouldn't come all the way back to cock again. I had to work it back and forth a few times to get it cock and shoot. Also the loading gate was difficult to open fully, I filled out a form on the Magnum Research website for warranty repair on Wednesday and Thursday morning they sent an email with a paid FedEx shipping label. They received it Friday, I'll keep you informed what they find and how long it takes. Received my BFR back on Wednesday, they had it for 2 weeks. The work order stated "barrel rubbing front of cylinder, adjusted barrel cylinder gap" The cylinder gap was .0025 now its .004, I also noticed the loading gate is now much easier to open. Shot 20 rounds today with no problems, hope it stays fixed.
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Post by lazytcross on Apr 17, 2018 22:11:43 GMT -5
Finally figured out how to post pictures!
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Post by seminolewind on Apr 18, 2018 9:50:48 GMT -5
Great looking grips Lazytcross. I believe you said you had them made wider in the back. Will you post a pic that shows the back of the grips? Who made them? Thanks!
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Post by lazytcross on Apr 18, 2018 10:18:40 GMT -5
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Post by lazytcross on Apr 18, 2018 10:19:42 GMT -5
I built the grips myself. I had these pictures on my phone. Might not be exactly what you were looking to see
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