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Post by seancass on May 27, 2017 14:26:45 GMT -5
If you decide you need a Ruger 480 Bisley package or a 454 Bisley, you should probably send me a PM... I might have a spare we could discuss.
I may have gone with the One of Each theory...
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Post by CraigC on May 27, 2017 14:27:55 GMT -5
Using 240 454 barnes at 1900 and the 275 barnes at 1700 the 454 drops only 1.1" less at 150 but using your previously held reasoning and using only max load data from published sources, the 480 maxes out at 1515 fps and the 454 at 2006. Then the trajectory difference when that data is used at 150 is about 4" which makes a difference when the target is small deer but at 200 which is entirely reasonable for deer and antelope with a scope revolver the difference is 10". Is we choose to not use published data i can run that. Ullet faster and have run 260's over 2000fps I'm looking at published data in Speer #14 that peaks at 1695fps out of a 9½" SRH. Alliant shows 1910fps with 300MP but I have no idea what their test barrel length was. Lyman shows 1715fps out of a 7½" test barrel.
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shorty500
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Post by shorty500 on May 27, 2017 14:29:21 GMT -5
Get both lol and a fifty of some flavor!
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Post by bula on May 27, 2017 15:35:44 GMT -5
Being an eastern woodlands types hunter, no scopes marred in the process, the 480 was my easy choice. The OP can choose either and be happy, but would be wise to define his uses before choosing. OP, please list your hopes for, uses.
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Post by tradmark on May 27, 2017 18:00:09 GMT -5
Yup. Depends on your use for sure. Thats the caveat and which platform will be adaptable with any future change in that use in the future. Or.......just go with the one you like.
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Post by tradmark on May 27, 2017 18:04:51 GMT -5
Using 240 454 barnes at 1900 and the 275 barnes at 1700 the 454 drops only 1.1" less at 150 but using your previously held reasoning and using only max load data from published sources, the 480 maxes out at 1515 fps and the 454 at 2006. Then the trajectory difference when that data is used at 150 is about 4" which makes a difference when the target is small deer but at 200 which is entirely reasonable for deer and antelope with a scope revolver the difference is 10". Is we choose to not use published data i can run that. Ullet faster and have run 260's over 2000fps I'm looking at published data in Speer #14 that peaks at 1695fps out of a 9½" SRH. Alliant shows 1910fps with 300MP but I have no idea what their test barrel length was. Lyman shows 1715fps out of a 7½" test barrel. I was comparing bullet to same Bullet. I wouldnt run those up that hard anyway. Bonded BUt not toughly constructed. I still have 7 or 8 boxes of those. Going to a more conventional bullet, those are easy to drive over 2000fps.
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Post by squigz on May 21, 2018 13:47:17 GMT -5
I'm going to revive this thread because it was immensely informative. Though, I was having an issue between deciding which caliber I wanted to go with next. I no longer have the internal caliber selection struggle reading through this, especially as bula stated above which perfectly described my situation as well, "eastern woods" which loosely translates to not long shots, and I have a cure in the means of a 500 JRH.
So now my sights are set specifically on the 454 Casull for multiple reasons, them being: easily obtainable reloading supplies, download-able in the sense of shooting a "smaller" cartridge (but really, you buy a big gun why shoot anything less), new caliber I don't have and I like to collect things and since I was a kid and first started reading reloading books in my spare time I've always dreamed of owning this cartridge specifically.
But my main point behind this is: should I get the 6.5" 454 Ruger Bisley (and hope the the QA process has/had caught all the flaws) or should I save up that extra penny and spend it when a 6.5" BFR comes around.
My JRH is already in a BFR and I don't have a Ruger single actions in a center fire cartridge, so I'm leaning towards the Ruger with a heavy bias. But at the same time, I'm reading a lot that some higher end loads are causing issues with middle fingers to be bruised and/or cut up causing a push towards BFR. I have long skinny fingers, not much meat to them so overall girth I don't think would be an issue is what my thought process is.
So I guess realistically because I simply just want it in the Ruger, I've made up my mind. But I'd like to know the real world implications of that so called "smaller" finger groove area and how much it truly can effect me with plausible 300 gr loads at 1600-1700 fps?
Also, yes, both is the right answer(looking at you, encore).
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Post by matt56 on May 21, 2018 15:11:37 GMT -5
I've secretly wanted a Bisley 454 Casull but I have not been able to put my hands on one anywhere. I had kicked around the idea of ordering one but now it's too late, they're basically sold out everywhere. They also must be discontinuing the 4 5/8" model because it's not on the website anymore. I tried to bid on one yesterday but that was blown out of the water.
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Post by pxs51 on May 21, 2018 19:22:00 GMT -5
My lgs has only one 454 bisley on the counter. I hope it was not representative of the rest. I really want a 480, I know the grips are pretty poorly fitted but this had an off center front sight post and really rough machining marks I simply don’t see on my 2003 Super Redhawk. Had a rough trigger guard my my gp44 too. Guess they really don’t make them like they used to.
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Post by matt56 on May 21, 2018 20:03:41 GMT -5
Yeah that's why I wanted to see one in person.
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Post by magman on May 21, 2018 20:10:03 GMT -5
My lgs did have a bisley 454 a short while ago. It was pretty nice looking.
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Post by squigz on May 21, 2018 20:32:54 GMT -5
Yeah I would like to get one in hand before I bought it. I've been hesitant picking one up off GunBroker because of this and the QA issues I've heard of.
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Post by isaactc on May 21, 2018 20:58:59 GMT -5
I had to revisit to this post with an update. I purchased a 4 5/8 Bisley SBH used from a fellow on the Ruger Forum. Whitworth is correct about the "Fun Factor". I have loaded 355 true cast GC with 11.0 gr. of Unique at about 1.000 fps for a fun load, and the same bullet over 26.0 grns. of H100 for a little more oomph. Both are pleasant to shoot. Just received 4 boxes of Deep Curl 325 grn. to play with, and the 410 grn. cast are coming. This is the most fun I have had with a sixgun since my first single six back in 1966! This Ruger has grips that are near pefect. the cylinder throats are great. It is like brand new! I am having a ball!
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Post by bula on May 22, 2018 8:30:16 GMT -5
I agree with the fun factor thing. Your fun load more serious than mine. I use the Missouri 340gr PC'd bullet with TB, have some on FFFG too ! Lovely KaBooom and cloud of smoke. Did just load some of the 325gr Deep Curls but haven't fired them yet. The Speers have been considerably cheaper than the Hornady products lately.
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Post by Joe S. on May 26, 2018 17:10:38 GMT -5
The .480 is actually a "fun" round, the .454 not so much. This 100%.
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