300gr WFNGC .45 colt in 6 shot Ruger

[hoover]

Bill, there is a HUGE difference between an elk and a ground squirrel..........

[tek4260]

Here is that 22gr load at 25 out of my parts gun Blackhawk



Of course it isn't 1300 by any stretch

[agrizz]

Sept 26, 2011 6:37:25 GMT -5 tek4260 said:

I have shot several 24.0gr under a 300gr cast in my Blackhawks with no pressure signs. I was getting leading so I backed down to 22.0. I haven't checked the speed, but I had no pressure signs in MY relolvers. FWIW, this was the "Ruger Only" Mihec HP. An LBT may sit deeper in the case.

I don't think you can get enough H110 into the case to hurt(destroy) a Blackhawk.

Well let me see, it seems to me that there was a gent at the Shootist Holiday this past June, at the Whittington Center, that had borrowed a custom ruger super blackhawk and brought it back to the owner in pieces.

The top strap was blown at about a 35 degree angle and the upper half of the cylinder disapeared. Load 23 grains of, you gessed it, H110. Just a damed good thing that it was after the main group of Shootists had left the line.

Yep, you sure as hell can do it!!!!! But this was in the lowley .44 mag. I have also seen Freedom Arms guns have a few issues with H110.

If you need more powder get a bigger gun.......

[tek4260]

I'm no expert by any means, but I'd wager the H110 wasn't the culprit in the demise of that revolver.

[cottonstalk]

I have tried several different charge weights and I went as high as 26gr of H110 under a 300gr cast bullet with a WLP primer.I had no issues with the gun,a Ruger blackhawk convertible.But like several of the others have said a 300gr @ 1050-1200 will do the same job and it's easier on the gun.I personally like a 350gr cast bullet over 22gr of H110 for a nice 1225fps,nice steady shove for recoil,and a definate thumper on the game end.These loads were worked up in my gun without any issues,load at your own risk.

[whitworth]

Sept 26, 2011 22:12:22 GMT -5 tek4260 said:

I'm no expert by any means, but I'd wager the H110 wasn't the culprit in the demise of that revolver.

Yeah, I would bet it wasn't H110 either. I don't think under that bullet you can get enough H110 in there (without compressing the load) to 'blow up" a Ruger, but I could be wrong.

[mike454]

Hodgdon lists 24 gr h110 with a 325 lfn seated to 1.68 OAL. If your bullet seats deep, than your pressure could be higher than you might guess. data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp

[tek4260]

I hear tall tales of this 300gr Mihec HP being run over 26.0gr of H110 in the lil ol 44 Mag. This is in the Redhawk only, due to its offset bolt notches. Shown next to a 240 commercial to give an idea of seating depth.

[nframe]

I'm not buying that at all...sorry! If H-110 is blowing up guns...it's due to loader error...period. I'd be willing to bet there are other factors involved. Shot far too much H-110 with heavy CB's in custom 5-shot .45 Colt revolvers. It is also the powder of choice in a custom 6-shot .38-40 I own. I have seen a double charge of HS-6 cause one some issue however:-) Shot many pounds of it out of both .475 and .500 Linebaugh with nary a problem.

[Lee Martin]

Guys, think about it. How do folks get 55,000 PSI loads out of 5-shot 45 Colts? They use more H110 or W296. Highly compressed ball powder ramps pressure quickly. For example (and there's some +/- with these but generally the figures are close and lab tested):

45 Colt - 335 grain WFN, 6" barrel

23.0 grains, 1,200 fps, 30,000 PSI
26.5 grains, 1,450 fps, 55,000 PSI (ONLY FOR 5-SHOT 45 COLTS)

So anyone want to shoot the second load in their 6-shot Ruger? It may hold, but it's not safe. Stating you can't overload H110 is a slippery slope.

And BTW, I've work extensively with 45 Colt in both 5 and 6 shot configurations.

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

[nframe]

I've never stated stated that H-110 can't be overloaded, it's just that 23.0 grs. under a 300 gr. CB is not going to blow your stock Ruger BH up, at least it hasn't mine thus far...after many thousands of them. Competent hand loading practices should always be adhered to. Taking a nap in the loading room will not only possibly ruin a good firearm, but may very well seriously injure or kill you. Carelessness and downright stupidity is unfortunately present in some firearms owners and hand loaders...those are the ones that at times make those like us the object of ridicule. Staying within the stated loading manual guidelines is always the safest road to travel.

[Lee Martin]

Sept 27, 2011 10:35:58 GMT -5 nframe said:

I've never stated stated that H-110 can't be overloaded

I wasn't responding to your comment. It's one from earlier in the thread that concerned me:

"I don't think you can get enough H110 into the case to hurt(destroy) a Blackhawk"

Again, you may not grenade the gun but you can push 110 too far in 6-shot Rugers.

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

[tek4260]

I am going to go back and change that to "without compressing it" I was wrong to assume that people know better than to do that in stock revolvers.

[Lee Martin]

I know what you mean. I write stuff all the time and assume folks know what I'm talking about. Sadly, many take statements verbatim.

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

[Lee Martin]

....and no one here made the argument, but I've seen other sites where guys flat out say "you can't overload H110". The 100% load density throws many for a loop. You know the mentality: "If I can still seat the bullet without deforming the nose, I must not be at 100% yet". They assume that's all you can fit in the case and don't understand compressed charges.

-Lee
www.singleactions.com