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Post by gunsbrad on Jul 1, 2010 6:23:20 GMT -5
I ordered one of the new Lipsey 44 spl blackhawks when they were 1st announced in October or November 2008. (Don't remember which) My dealer called me this weekend to say they were finally available. Not Lipsey's but Ruger standard production. It arrived yesterday. I haven't had the chance to shoot it yet, but the forcing cone is cut off center. Dramatically so. Has anyone else seen this?
It did come out of the box with a 3 1/4lb trigger. Never seen that from ruger before.
Brad Hurt
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Post by Lee Martin on Jul 1, 2010 8:24:23 GMT -5
I'd see how it shoots. Though off-center forcing cones aren't good, I've seen a few that'll return decent accuracy. If not, you may want to send it back to Ruger (or a gunsmith) and have it re-cut. -Lee www.singleactions.com
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Post by gunsbrad on Jul 1, 2010 8:52:56 GMT -5
Lee,
Thanks for the post. I can recut the cone myself. I was just wondering if I should or just send it straight back to ruger. I will shoot it first.
Opinions?
Brad
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Post by rep1954 on Jul 1, 2010 9:01:11 GMT -5
If you have the ability to correct it yourself I would just do it. After all a correct forcing cone is always going to shoot better than a incorrect one.
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Post by gunsbrad on Jul 1, 2010 9:38:11 GMT -5
I just did some shooting.
7.5 gr unique in starline case, win lp primer, 429421 ww aircooled, lbt blue soft lube
2 1/2" to 3" at 25yds. lots of lead in gun.
same as above except water dropped ww.
1 1/2" to 1 7/8" at 25 yds. less lead but still plenty.
I think it needs the cone cut. If I do it it will void the warranty. If they do it it will take weeks and may not come back fixed.
What say Ye.
Brad Hurt
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Post by Lee Martin on Jul 1, 2010 9:49:36 GMT -5
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Post by caryc on Jul 1, 2010 11:15:28 GMT -5
I just did some shooting. 7.5 gr unique in starline case, win lp primer, 429421 ww aircooled, lbt blue soft lube 2 1/2" to 3" at 25yds. lots of lead in gun. same as above except water dropped ww. 1 1/2" to 1 7/8" at 25 yds. less lead but still plenty. I think it needs the cone cut. If I do it it will void the warranty. If they do it it will take weeks and may not come back fixed. What say Ye. Brad Hurt As far as I know there is no actual warranty to void. They stand by their guns and will repair any factory mistakes but there is no actual printed warranty.
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Post by CraigC on Jul 1, 2010 13:37:22 GMT -5
Cary's right, Ruger has no warranty and we're actually better off without one. Ruger is infamous for taking care of its customers.
Secondly, the barrel might need to be set back a thread or two before there's enough meat to recut the forcing cone. I'd bite the bullet and send it to Ruger. Call them first and get UPS to come pick it up on their dime.
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Post by nonpcnrarn on Jul 1, 2010 13:38:09 GMT -5
If after the forcing cone is recut the problem persists, check the chamber throats for correct size and ream if necessary. Also you may need to firelap the barrel. I have heard good things about the Beartooth Bullets kit. If you have a constriction where the barrel is screwed into the frame either Taylor Throating or firelapping will correct this. Only firelapping will polish the whole bore and remove the constriction.
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Post by rep1954 on Jul 1, 2010 15:12:43 GMT -5
When I had Bowen go thru my 50th Anniversary 357 he hand lapped the barrel. I have never seen any noticable leading come out of it during cleaning.
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Post by Mark Terry on Jul 1, 2010 21:00:46 GMT -5
I don't know, ain't a gunsmith and didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night, but if the forcing cone is off center, I'd be concerned if I could re-cut it centered with my reamer. As bad as it would hurt to be without it for a while, I'd have to send it back.
My guess is that Ruger would replace the barrel. You'd probably get a well tuned revolver back.
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Post by Kurt on Jul 2, 2010 2:07:41 GMT -5
If it is off center and you recut it, it will most likely be grossly oversize. This will lead the forcing cone terribly because of gas cutting. The forcing cone should not be any larger than .020" over bore size, and the smaller the better. I vote for letting Ruger fix it
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Post by gunsbrad on Jul 2, 2010 5:58:28 GMT -5
Cary, I know Ruger doesn't have an express warranty but if I fix it and return it later for something else they will replace the barrel and charge me for it. If I send it back now they should even pay for the shipping.
I think everyone sees my problem now. If I do it I will have to recut the forcing cone, and I will probably have to pull the barrel and set it back a thread, recut ejector housing to fit. I hate to have to do this to a brand new gun.
If I send it back to Ruger, they will do it, I get it back weeks later and it may or may not be fixed.
Aren't choices great. I am probably leaning toward doing it myself.
Brad
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Post by Mountaineer on Jul 2, 2010 8:22:37 GMT -5
Sounds to me like Kurt is absolutely correct.
I vote to send it back to Ruger. From what you've described, to be corrected properly, it may need to be rebarreled.
My experience with Ruger solving problems such as this is about a two week turnaround. Even if longer, it's better to have them do it. And even if you have the equipment and skill to do it yourself, it doesn't seem worth the time and aggravation. Just my $0.02.
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Post by rep1954 on Jul 2, 2010 11:29:38 GMT -5
It always helps to do a little inspection on a gun when purchasing it before handing the money over. I know sometimes one gets excited when getting a new gun and things get over looked but the forcing cone is an easy one to do a visual on.
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