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Post by aciera on Mar 27, 2024 1:36:39 GMT -5
About a year ago I was thinking along these lines (plating with brass) and decided against it. Brass plating is very thin. I would not let the GF develop "patina" as some owners of the brass framed guns do. But with constant polishing, I think the copper (or whatever base metal over ZAMAK would be) would poke through rather quickly. I'll see if I get a response from Brazen and see what can be done, if not....I'll just have to live with it the way it is. I really like the pics of the stuff Titaniumgun.com shows on their website, too bad they don't do "soft" metals. Plating can be as thick as you want it. No question. Regular chrome is .003-.004…….gold can be only .0001 and cover completely And I doubt if you would wear thru .002 in years. Much less a heavy plating. And the brass would be over the copper. Plating is a science……..
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Post by aciera on Mar 27, 2024 1:41:27 GMT -5
Rather doubt a list of revolvers dragged to the firing lines of IHMSA silhouette would produce many surprises. Any manufacturer knew his product had to prove itself against Ruger and Smith & Wesson. That didn’t;t stop the challenges. Sig Himmelman came on strong. Dan Wesson took the bait to create his own wave. Manuhrin made a flash. Dick Casull’s 5-shooter became the Freedom Arms Model 83. Other sixguns jumped nearly and stuck it out, primarily the Colt Python (emphatically not Colt’s MK and Trooper series). Various Colt Peacemaker clones and copies showed up and disappeared. The Ruger-Smith & Wesson battle was a real seesaw. I, for one, shot both one after the other in the same match, and in same championships. It’s important to grasp life begins at 50 meters (55 yards) in handgun silhouette and any revolver & ammunition worth taking too the Firing Line record consistency @ 100 meters (110 yards), or it is guaranteed doomed for rams on the 200 meter rail. The silhouette firing line is a cruel place for pretty sixguns which don’t perform. I don’t recall a class silhouetter telling what his or her revolver could do, only letting the gun speak for itself. That is the beauty of the arena. It isn’t so much the gunfire we listened to, but the hits on steel. David Bradshaw This Spoke Zarathustra………or our Zarathustra Well put Mr Bradshaw
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Post by 1horseman on Mar 27, 2024 20:36:21 GMT -5
Just got this from "Brazen".
Brazen Firearms <brazenfirearms@gmail.com> 6:14 PM (1 hour ago) to me
Good evening,
We discontinued all polished PVD finishes a few years back and Cerakote does not offer any high polished finishes. It seems we might not be able to assist with this project. If you have any other questions, please let me know!
Ashley
I don't know how she even thought that I'm interested in PVD, or Cerakote (don't like either). I specifically asked about electroplate Titanium Nitride, or brass. Oh well. Looks like I'm on a wild goose chase here. If any of you know someone (personally) that can electroplate brass (or gold) on Aluminum/Zinc alloy, please let me know. ALL the referenced companies in this thread (and few more that I found on my own) were a bust.
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Post by aciera on Mar 27, 2024 21:15:53 GMT -5
Just got this from "Brazen". Brazen Firearms <brazenfirearms@gmail.com> 6:14 PM (1 hour ago) to me Good evening, We discontinued all polished PVD finishes a few years back and Cerakote does not offer any high polished finishes. It seems we might not be able to assist with this project. If you have any other questions, please let me know! Ashley I don't know how she even thought that I'm interested in PVD, or Cerakote (don't like either). I specifically asked about electroplate Titanium Nitride, or brass. Oh well. Looks like I'm on a wild goose chase here. If any of you know someone (personally) that can electroplate brass (or gold) on Aluminum/Zinc alloy, please let me know. ALL the referenced companies in this thread (and few more that I found on my own) were a bust. Is it aluminum/zinc or magnesium ? You’ve said both. Hard to help.
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Post by Odin on Mar 27, 2024 21:42:40 GMT -5
Most likely ZAMAK, a Zinc alloy (zinc, aluminum, magnesium, and kopper).
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Post by aciera on Mar 27, 2024 21:59:44 GMT -5
Most likely ZAMAK, a Zinc alloy (zinc, aluminum, magnesium, and kopper). Thanks. Primarily zinc. A few percent aluminum and trace of magnesium That helps. Looking to plate zinc.
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Post by gustaf on Mar 28, 2024 6:05:35 GMT -5
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Post by 1horseman on Mar 28, 2024 7:43:32 GMT -5
Yes, it's ZAMAK as I said earlier in the thread. Zinc is the primary, and as the letters go further, the percentage gets smaller. "K" standing for German "Kupfer" or simple copper (just a small trace of it). In the "industry" it's called "Zinc-Alloy". So, I call it that sometimes (it gets boring explaining to the people what Zamak is....and it's funny because the word "Zamak", spelled and pronounced the same as in English, means "castle" in one of the languages I speak,...but I digress).
Actually, the thing doesn't look bad at all. As I said in some previous posts, it looks like S&W stainless steel finish (that's the only stainless gun I have....hence the comparison) if one is into this two-tone finish. I know many people are. I'm not. The only two-tone I like is in combination with brass or gold. Many people don't like that, I know. Luckily, we are all different, otherwise there would be a lot of upset women out there.
IF this thing had a blued steel GF, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I am not trying to pimp this thing. Simply put, I detest the aluminum (I replaced the GF on my Single Six with Blackhawk GF right away), and the original finish (I suspect PVD) was wearing BADLY. It doesn't "wear badly" anymore. it's utilitarian, but it's not too pleasing to my eyes. Worn blue steel looks GREAT,.....worn ZAMAK looks like crap. Not only Zamak, but ALL Aluminum, or Zinc based metals that were "coated", instead of electroplated. Many moons ago I wore S&W M39 on duty. It shot OK, and I was comfortable with it in my holster every day, all day. But I hated its aluminum frame.
This thing is HEAVY. I mean heavy,....and I understand why they went with light GF, but the finish on it didn't bode well with the PH factor of my sweat I suppose. I was hoping other Bounty Hunter owners will chime in, and comment on that too. It might be OK for some people (the son of Hermann Weihrauch that runs the company now, probably has a very different PH from mine, and for him/them it wears fine). Otherwise, the revolver is built WELL, finished great, and timed to perfection. I spoke with a friend last night (retired USMC gun collector), and he commented how much he likes this revolver, the "workmanship, and shootability" he said (he fired one cyl from mine). He is looking for one on the web (not easy to find).
As far as companies that do plating......I appreciate all and every lead I got in this thread, but I'm tired of calling around the country, waiting to hear back, have hopes up, and then crashing down. That's why I asked for somebody that is personally involved with the shop (not as a customer), something like ..."hey my buddy over here in Alabama said if you send it to him he'll do it"....or "hey MF, I do this shit for living, send it to me".
Thanks guys.
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Post by aciera on Mar 28, 2024 8:19:59 GMT -5
I read a thread where you found the parts two years ago Did they not fit?
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Post by 1horseman on Mar 28, 2024 9:27:28 GMT -5
I read a thread where you found the parts two years ago Did they not fit? Oh, you mean 1860 brass GF? I described the problem in this thread. See,...."single action" means that the trigger performs ONE action (trips the hammer). I am saying this for the "uninitiated" that might read this out in "space" ("cyberspace"). However,...the "new single actions" (like all New Model Rugers) are equipped with "transfer bar". In these pistols, the trigger performs TWO actions (although it's still called "single action"!). The trigger needs to raise the transfer bar for it to cover the frame mounted firing pin, before the hammer is tripped. For that reason, the trigger in the "new single actions" sits further forward in the trigger guard (to allow for the extra rearward movement of the trigger need to raise the transfer bar). If one looks at a typical Colt SAA picture, one can see that the trigger position in the trigger guard is WAY back, and a VERY little movement of the trigger is needed to trip the hammer. Now,...if one looks at the picture of ANY New Model Ruger, one can see that their triggers sit further forward. Fot that reason, revolvers with transfer bars have "elongated" trigger guards, and the ones without......trigger guards are almost perfectly round. Well. My revolver has a transfer bar (licensed from Ruger I believe). "Elongated" trigger guard (oval, actually flat on the bottom), trigger sitting way more forward than on a Colt SAA (and ALL other SA revolvers without transfer bars). Plenty of room for the trigger finger as the piece clears the leather. So, what I've learned? 1860 brass grip frame is beautiful. Its mounting holes line up perfect with the frame. Ears need to be shaved a little (no big deal), but ......drumroll.....it has a perfectly round trigger guard! So much so, that once the opening in the TG is enlarged for the Weihrauch trigger, the trigger sits too forward in the trigger guard......not much room for the finger! I mean,.....there is enough room if the gun is handled the, what I call "New American Way". And I'll try to explain (because I have nothing better to do now before I have to go to feed my livestock, I guess).
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Post by 1horseman on Mar 28, 2024 9:36:00 GMT -5
The "New American Way" is the trigger finger stays out of the trigger guard until it's time to pull it. We (European police/military) are not trained that way, and we chuckle when we see Americans having their trigger finger prominently extended along the receiver (or frame). Since my best friend is a retired USMC officer, he told me they were never trained like that either! So that's why I call it "New American Way".
My trigger finger goes in the trigger guard BEFORE the pistol is coming up from the leather. Hammer gets pulled back as soon as the muzzle clears the leather (not before). With that habit, if I have the trigger sitting too forward in the trigger guard, I get interrupted in my "muscle memory" (I will be 69 years old later this year, and it's "too late to teach an old horse new tricks"), which irritates me. But,......if you yank the pistol by the but only, keeping your trigger finger prominently extended next to the frame, cock the hammer when the target is in sight, carefully insert the finger in the trigger guard (carefully if you have fat fingers, for it might fire right away!) you might be OK.
In a shorter version of the story......it didn't work for me. It was beautiful but not functional for this old horse.
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Post by aciera on Mar 28, 2024 11:41:17 GMT -5
The "New American Way" is the trigger finger stays out of the trigger guard until it's time to pull it. We (European police/military) are not trained that way, and we chuckle when we see Americans having their trigger finger prominently extended along the receiver (or frame). Since my best friend is a retired USMC officer, he told me they were never trained like that either! So that's why I call it "New American Way". My trigger finger goes in the trigger guard BEFORE the pistol is coming up from the leather. Hammer gets pulled back as soon as the muzzle clears the leather (not before). With that habit, if I have the trigger sitting too forward in the trigger guard, I get interrupted in my "muscle memory" (I will be 69 years old later this year, and it's "too late to teach an old horse new tricks"), which irritates me. But,......if you yank the pistol by the but only, keeping your trigger finger prominently extended next to the frame, cock the hammer when the target is in sight, carefully insert the finger in the trigger guard (carefully if you have fat fingers, for it might fire right away!) you might be OK. In a shorter version of the story......it didn't work for me. It was beautiful but not functional for this old horse. No. It was this revolver
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Post by revolvercranker on Mar 28, 2024 12:46:37 GMT -5
The "New American Way" is the trigger finger stays out of the trigger guard until it's time to pull it. We (European police/military) are not trained that way, and we chuckle when we see Americans having their trigger finger prominently extended along the receiver (or frame). Since my best friend is a retired USMC officer, he told me they were never trained like that either! So that's why I call it "New American Way". My trigger finger goes in the trigger guard BEFORE the pistol is coming up from the leather. Hammer gets pulled back as soon as the muzzle clears the leather (not before). With that habit, if I have the trigger sitting too forward in the trigger guard, I get interrupted in my "muscle memory" (I will be 69 years old later this year, and it's "too late to teach an old horse new tricks"), which irritates me. But,......if you yank the pistol by the but only, keeping your trigger finger prominently extended next to the frame, cock the hammer when the target is in sight, carefully insert the finger in the trigger guard (carefully if you have fat fingers, for it might fire right away!) you might be OK. In a shorter version of the story......it didn't work for me. It was beautiful but not functional for this old horse. 1horseman I have to totally agree with you on the extended finger along side the pistol. This is greatly over emphasized in the U.S. I can assure you that in an extremely dangerous situation be it military or law enforcement my finger it going to be on the trigger ready for immediate action.
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Post by hunter01 on Mar 28, 2024 13:14:54 GMT -5
The "New American Way" is the trigger finger stays out of the trigger guard until it's time to pull it. We (European police/military) are not trained that way, and we chuckle when we see Americans having their trigger finger prominently extended along the receiver (or frame). Since my best friend is a retired USMC officer, he told me they were never trained like that either! So that's why I call it "New American Way". My trigger finger goes in the trigger guard BEFORE the pistol is coming up from the leather. Hammer gets pulled back as soon as the muzzle clears the leather (not before). With that habit, if I have the trigger sitting too forward in the trigger guard, I get interrupted in my "muscle memory" (I will be 69 years old later this year, and it's "too late to teach an old horse new tricks"), which irritates me. But,......if you yank the pistol by the but only, keeping your trigger finger prominently extended next to the frame, cock the hammer when the target is in sight, carefully insert the finger in the trigger guard (carefully if you have fat fingers, for it might fire right away!) you might be OK. In a shorter version of the story......it didn't work for me. It was beautiful but not functional for this old horse. 1horseman I have to totally agree with you on the extended finger along side the pistol. This is greatly over emphasized in the U.S. I can assure you that in an extremely dangerous situation be it military or law enforcement my finger it going to be on the trigger ready for immediate action. The practice was adopted and is still preached in LE so some dumb A doesnt shoot himself or someone else when he gets too excited. Its good habit no matter what either of you think.
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Post by 1horseman on Mar 28, 2024 13:18:33 GMT -5
Aciera: I know it was this revolver. Blame my broken English. What I was saying above......(or trying to say).....I purchased two grip frames for 1860 Colt and tried to fit one of them to this revolver. The reason I purchased TWO, ...I figured I'll screw up one (and learn from it), which in the initial stages of fitting it to the frame looked to be the case. I think I posted something in that regard on this board. However, the "screwup" was easily corrected, and I didn't need the other GF (I still have it). Once it was fitted, polished, and mounted, I realized that my finger doesn't have enough room to "breathe".
Revolvercranker: Yup. My pistol does not come out of its leather, unless it will be IMMEDIATELY fired. In my previous life, I needed to clear some houses, and my finger was on the trigger as soon as the pistol was out. My wife is getting frustrated when we watch some American (British even more so!) shows where they "clear houses" with trigger finger extended on the side, and once they acquire the target, they even have to rack the slide! I comment on that (and many other BS), and she says: "c'mon, these are actors". And I go :"Who the hell is an advisor (military/LE) on that show, and getting paid big bucks for this BS!?"
Hunter: We all have our opinion don't we (like that other thing we all have)? I'll freely share mine. Since my friend (as I mentioned career USMC officer) tells me that this was NOT forced on them back when (he is a Nam vet), and since I'm reading almost daily how the criterion of the recruitment in the military, as well as LE is being "relaxed" constantly, I think that a lot of dumbasses are being hired. Like few years back (quite a few) when it was reported how many American LE personnel shot themselves in the leg with Glocks. I am not aware of anyone doing that in the 80s when we all (European military/LE) were switching to Glocks. But again,...just my opinion, and worth exactly what you paid for it.
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