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Post by 1horseman on Mar 24, 2024 21:33:47 GMT -5
One of the revolvers I have Pietta 1860 Colt and I wouldn't say it was small. It's fantastic and very accurate. No offense. I held them both in my hands (Pietta or Uberti in one, and Weihrauch in the other). I chose Weihrauch because of the weight and finish. Pietta (and Uberti) had a MUCH better feel of the action (cocking) and the trigger, but the robustness prevailed, knowing that I can fix the action/trigger pull while having fun. Grip frame to frame connection is better on Italians, but I thought I'll replace this sooner or later. This piece is VERY accurate, but I haven't tried it past 50 yards. Since it's only 4.75" barrel, I figured I'll never use it past that distance anyway. I carry it mostly while I'm in the saddle, and it's not getting beat up. I haven't used it yet on the live "target", but I feel that it's more than capable. I don't hunt, and I have it only in case I become the hunted one in the Idaho Wilderness of the River of No Return (full of wildlife that would like to make a tasty meal out of you).
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Post by gregs on Mar 24, 2024 21:46:53 GMT -5
I believe availability in this country is one reason they aren't more popular. Folks like to look and finger potential offering even from our own manufactures in thus country (Colt & Ruger). The only examples I've really seen of the offering from Germany have been rode hard and put up wet so to speak in the pawn shop display case.
The examples I've seen were predominantly in 22 LR with very few examples in 357.
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Post by bigbore5 on Mar 25, 2024 0:21:13 GMT -5
You don't really want gold plate. It scratches too easily. Consider titanium nitride. It's a common material, polishes up to look like gold or brass, doesn't tarnish, plus it's tough enough they use it electro plated on drill bits to make them last longer. Winner, winner. Now if you can tell me who can do it for me in some reasonable time (not months/years of waiting), I'll buy you a bottle of 25YO single malt. Mahovsky's, Carolina Industrial Coatings, just off the top of my head.
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Post by 1horseman on Mar 25, 2024 9:33:51 GMT -5
Winner, winner. Now if you can tell me who can do it for me in some reasonable time (not months/years of waiting), I'll buy you a bottle of 25YO single malt. Mahovsky's, Carolina Industrial Coatings, just off the top of my head. Thank you. Just spoke with Ron Mahovsky in Pennsylvania. Unfortunately, they don't offer Titanium Nitride plating, only Nickel-Boron, or hard chrome (I have Nickel-Boron bolt carrier on one of my ARs, and it has a "hint" of gold in color, but that's not what I'm after). Their prices are very reasonable, and the turnaround time is about three weeks. Neither of these coatings would work for me. I was not able to reach anyone at Carolina Industrial Coatings, left message on the phone (as I did with several other places before), but their email/website is not operational. I need to find a brass grip frame from a revolver that's equipped with transfer bar (a "close enough" clone of Colt SAA) with elongated trigger guard. Polished brass (or gold) looks VERY different than Nickel-Boron. I'm after high luster, and this coating is flat (looks like rough/unpolished inside of the grip frame and can not be polished to a high luster).
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Post by 1horseman on Mar 25, 2024 9:48:59 GMT -5
I believe availability in this country is one reason they aren't more popular. Folks like to look and finger potential offering even from our own manufactures in thus country (Colt & Ruger). The only examples I've really seen of the offering from Germany have been rode hard and put up wet so to speak in the pawn shop display case. The examples I've seen were predominantly in 22 LR with very few examples in 357. This is probably the most likely explanation. "Not enough of them around". Since Germans flat out refused to sell me brass grip frame, I question their business model. I owned several companies, and I would sell/supply ANYTHING anywhere. If I would be younger, I'd approach them to hire me as a marketing director. The pistols are made like tanks, shoot straight, and need a little action work (which ones don't?). The only thing working against them, is the crappy EAA "customer service", lack of parts, German attitude (most German businesses treat customers like they are the ones doing the customer a favor, not the other way around), and proper marketing, trying to overcome the sketchy reputation German revolvers had in the past. I probably would've never purchased this one if one of my riding buddies didn't let me "finger" his. I still had misgivings in ordering it sight unseen, from some obscure gunshop in Oklahoma (the only one that had it listed in stock). I was really nervous when after my payment cleared, I haven't heard from the seller (nor I was able to reach him) for two weeks. After my attorney's letter was hand delivered to him, the piece was at my LGS in three days (total three weeks after the payment cleared). I was almost sure that one of the two things happened.....either I fell for an Internet scam, or he was "selling" something he needs to get from his wholesaler and doesn't have it in stock.
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Post by bigbore5 on Mar 25, 2024 10:44:05 GMT -5
Titaniumgun.com, or Brazen Firearms.
I've had some triggers and hammers done by Brazen. Very good work. The trigger on my Marlin 39A was worn, rather than re-plating it with gold, they did the TiN coating and you can't tell it's not the original gold plate.
They have a Bisley hammer and trigger of mine now for the same coating. He said it'll be about a week turn around. It does build up a couple thousandths, so I will do the action job after coating.
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Post by lar4570 on Mar 25, 2024 15:02:09 GMT -5
I bought a bounty hunter in 357 a couple of decades ago. Externally the gun looked and felt great. It shot fairly good groups. The bad part is it was hitting about 12" to the right at 100yds. Fixed sights... I contacted EAA customer service I got a rather flippant answer that the gun was never intended to be a target pistol. It was just for people to play cowboy games up close. I responded that with a Ruger I could hit clay pigeons on the 100yd berm. I don't remember exactly what their reply was but it had something to do with wondering what my score was...
After that I gave the gun away.
I do have a J.P. Saur .357 single action that I like. I got for super cheap. It took a little work to get running right, but it's accurate and I took my first deer with a handgun with it.
To the OP- I wonder how close a Ruger grip frame would be? With all of the Ronnie Wells grip frames running around, their must be a lonely Ruger frame sitting in a drawer someplace...
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Post by revolvercranker on Mar 25, 2024 15:12:27 GMT -5
I bought a bounty hunter in 357 a couple of decades ago. Externally the gun looked and felt great. It shot fairly good groups. The bad part is it was hitting about 12" to the right at 100yds. Fixed sights... I contacted EAA customer service I got a rather flippant answer that the gun was never intended to be a target pistol. It was just for people to play cowboy games up close. I responded that with a Ruger I could hit clay pigeons on the 100yd berm. I don't remember exactly what their reply was but it had something to do with wondering what my score was... After that I gave the gun away. I do have a J.P. Saur .357 single action that I like. I got for super cheap. It took a little work to get running right, but it's accurate and I took my first deer with a handgun with it. To the OP- I wonder how close a Ruger grip frame would be? With all of the Ronnie Wells grip frames running around, their must be a lonely Ruger frame sitting in a drawer someplace... My best friend, when we were young, had a single action revolver in 357 Mag and I want to say the name on it was Hawes or something like that. I believe it may have been made by Saur. I do know it was German.
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Post by 1horseman on Mar 25, 2024 18:19:09 GMT -5
J.P. Sauer (now in business with SIG, hence Sig Sauer) was imported to US by Hawes. By all accounts, they were well made. I mentioned before that EAA absolutely sucks in "customer service" department, and the manufacturer Weihrauch is not far behind. However, it seems they've came a long way since "couple of decades ago", or it just might've been a fluke (in response to "revolvercranker"). I am not in any way affiliated with either the manufacturer or the distributor, but I can honestly say that this thing is great. Maybe mine was made on a "good day", and a "Friday guns" are out there. That's why I was looking for a long-term reviews from the owners, whether they use them in CAS, or just casual plinking.
Ruger grip frame? It would be nice, but I am pretty sure the mounting holes wouldn't line up, not to mention the difference in the main spring (flat Colt like vs. coiled Ruger style). On the top of that, ....the grips. Ruger "two piece" grips, and SAA style "one piece". I was thinking about dropping Ron a note and ask about him making me a grip frame, but I am sure he is not tooled to do a two-piece SAA style, especially not "one of".
Thank you "Bigbore". I'll try to contact Brazen Firearms, and chat with them (hopefully). If it builds up couple of thousands it might be a problem fitting the GF to the frame (it might be "too proud"), and it cannot be filed to fit once it's coated.
Picture of my piece can be seen in my post "Weihrauch Bounty Hunter short review". Right after I took those pics (board members asked for them), I took the blue off the hammer (the pistol comes with hammer having shiny "in the white" sides). I blued the hammer when the GF was still black. It looks much better now when the hammer and the GF match, but I would like the GF to be in brass/gold, at which point I'd blue the hammer again.
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Post by bigbore5 on Mar 25, 2024 18:24:41 GMT -5
I miss wrote. A couples ten-thousands. As in .0003". Last trigger and hammer only required very little stoning to return to perfect with both mating surfaces coated. I highly doubt any build up would be noticable on a gripframe fit for a factory gun.
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Post by 1horseman on Mar 25, 2024 20:30:35 GMT -5
I miss wrote. A couples ten-thousands. As in .0003". Last trigger and hammer only required very little stoning to return to perfect with both mating surfaces coated. I highly doubt any build up would be noticable on a gripframe fit for a factory gun. Thank you, that would work! I'll try to contact them first thing in the morning. Would you happen to have a pic of the stuff they did for you so far?
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Post by 1horseman on Mar 26, 2024 16:13:43 GMT -5
Titaniumgun.com, or Brazen Firearms. I've had some triggers and hammers done by Brazen. Very good work. The trigger on my Marlin 39A was worn, rather than re-plating it with gold, they did the TiN coating and you can't tell it's not the original gold plate. They have a Bisley hammer and trigger of mine now for the same coating. He said it'll be about a week turn around. It does build up a couple thousandths, so I will do the action job after coating. Just spoke with a fellow at Titanium.com (located in Cali), and he told me they cannot coat my GF in Titanium Nitride (it looks EXACTLY what I'm after), because they do only steel, stainless steel, or Titanium. They don't coat "softer metals" such as Magnesium alloys (which this GF happens to be), brass,...etc. Haven't heard back from Brazen (left the message as usual). It seems I'm chasing my tail with this. I can have Mahovsky do it in hard chrome or Nickel, but what's the point?
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Post by aciera on Mar 26, 2024 19:25:22 GMT -5
Titaniumgun.com, or Brazen Firearms. I've had some triggers and hammers done by Brazen. Very good work. The trigger on my Marlin 39A was worn, rather than re-plating it with gold, they did the TiN coating and you can't tell it's not the original gold plate. They have a Bisley hammer and trigger of mine now for the same coating. He said it'll be about a week turn around. It does build up a couple thousandths, so I will do the action job after coating. Just spoke with a fellow at Titanium.com (located in Cali), and he told me they cannot coat my GF in Titanium Nitride (it looks EXACTLY what I'm after), because they do only steel, stainless steel, or Titanium. They don't coat "softer metals" such as Magnesium alloys (which this GF happens to be), brass,...etc. Haven't heard back from Brazen (left the message as usual). It seems I'm chasing my tail with this. I can have Mahovsky do it in hard chrome or Nickel, but what's the point? Perhaps you have answered your own question. A good nickel coating usually has an intermediate metal. Usually copper. Then plate with brass instead of nickel. Usually don’t plate over nickel with brass……too smooth? It’s been years. But good chrome is the Nickel Being well polished , bonded to the copper. And chrome over the nickel.
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Post by 1horseman on Mar 26, 2024 23:44:31 GMT -5
About a year ago I was thinking along these lines (plating with brass) and decided against it. Brass plating is very thin. I would not let the GF develop "patina" as some owners of the brass framed guns do. But with constant polishing, I think the copper (or whatever base metal over ZAMAK would be) would poke through rather quickly. I'll see if I get a response from Brazen and see what can be done, if not....I'll just have to live with it the way it is. I really like the pics of the stuff Titaniumgun.com shows on their website, too bad they don't do "soft" metals.
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Post by bradshaw on Mar 27, 2024 0:13:47 GMT -5
Rather doubt a list of revolvers dragged to the firing lines of IHMSA silhouette would produce many surprises. Manufacturers knew their product had to prove itself against Ruger and Smith & Wesson. That didn’t stop challengers. Sig Himmelman came on strong. Dan Wesson took the bait to create his own wave. Manurhin made a flash. Dick Casull’s 5-shooter became the Freedom Arms Model 83. Other sixguns jumped in and stuck it out, primarily the Colt Python (emphatically not Colt’s MK and Trooper series).
Various Colt Peacemaker clones and copies showed up and disappeared. (I had a Colt Buntline, but its 12-inch barrel would put it in the Unlimited category, so I never tried it.) The Ruger-Smith & Wesson battle was a real seesaw. I, for one, shot both brands of .44 Mag, one after the other, in the same match, and likewise through several championships. It’s important to grasp a revolver’s life in handgun silhouette begins at 50 meters (55 yards). Any revolver & ammunition worth taking too the Firing Line must demonstrate consistency @ 100 meters (110 yards). Otherwise it is doomed for rams standing on the 200 meter rail. The silhouette firing line is a cruel place for pretty sixguns which don’t perform. I don’t recall a top silhouetter telling what his or her revolver could do, only letting the gun speak for itself. That is the beauty of the arena.
It isn’t so much the gunfire we listened to, but the hits on steel. David Bradshaw
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