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Post by 45dragoon on Jan 16, 2024 15:43:45 GMT -5
The Colt I think is one of the sleekess looking revolver ever is the 1860 Colt. What do you fellows think? I think you’re right !! It's an elegant revolver whose design was and still is far ahead of its time (as long as the design is executed correctly)! Until the 45acp conversion cylinder was produced for it, there wasn't much information about the capabilities of the revolver. Who knew the design would be able to handle steady loads of standard (21K psi) jacketed ammo !! much less running some +p's (23K!). Of course I'm speaking of Walt Kirst's 45acp Konversion cyl installed in modern reproduction revolvers. The old "school of thought" was to shoot "light loads" or "cowboy" loads of less than 1000fps . . . stay well under the top of tier 1 . . . I say nay!!!! One can now enjoy "big boy" loads in an elegant revolver that harkens back to the middle of the 19th century!! Even more so, the Dragoons offer some promising abilities with +p 45C loads and beyond!! Big boy loads . . . with style!!!! Mike |
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Post by revolvercranker on Jan 16, 2024 16:31:50 GMT -5
The Colt I think is one of the sleekess looking revolver ever is the 1860 Colt. What do you fellows think? I think you’re right !! It's an elegant revolver whose design was and still is far ahead of its time (as long as the design is executed correctly)! Until the 45acp conversion cylinder was produced for it, there wasn't much information about the capabilities of the revolver. Who knew the design would be able to handle steady loads of standard (21K psi) jacketed ammo !! much less running some +p's (23K!). Of course I'm speaking of Walt Kirst's 45acp Konversion cyl installed in modern reproduction revolvers. The old "school of thought" was to shoot "light loads" or "cowboy" loads of less than 1000fps . . . stay well under the top of tier 1 . . . I say nay!!!! One can now enjoy "big boy" loads in an elegant revolver that harkens back to the middle of the 19th century!! Even more so, the Dragoons offer some promising abilities with +p 45C loads and beyond!! Big boy loads . . . with style!!!! Mike Mike last year I bought a Pietta 1860 Colt. Of course I had it apart and was amazed at the quality of workmanship and the metal seemed very up to snuff. Now there were some minor things wrong with it. One was the groove diameter of the barrel was .450 and so was the cylinder mouths. I shot it first and the accuracy was so so. I then ran a .452 reamer down the cylinders. All the sudden the pistol a target gun. My best group at 35 yards, not 25, was one hole about the diameter of a 12 ga shotshell all six bullets. Now the interesting thing is I'm sold on Triple Seven. I safetly got both ball and hollow conical velocities that I would not wanted to have faced in those old days! The other thing I did was I had to make a new front sight, higher. It was shooting too high. Then I had to open up and recontour the ball loading notch so I could use the conical bullets. BTW that conical hollow base bullet is from a Lyman mould not made anymore that I both at the end of the sixties. Lyman stated it was for the Remington 1858 Army. It shoot really good too. I also like the 777 because it caused just about zero corrosion and is easy to clean. Tony |
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Post by taffin on Jan 16, 2024 17:40:57 GMT -5
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Post by samuse on Jan 16, 2024 18:49:03 GMT -5
I think the New Frontier and the Blackhawk are the best looking single actions. Something about the sights gives them an all business look.
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Post by 470evans on Jan 16, 2024 19:45:47 GMT -5
Here are my Colt New Frontiers in 45 Colt. The 7 1/2" was made in 2018 The 5 1/2" was made in 2017 The 4 3/4" was made in 2018 I had called Colt to inquire about them making a 44 Special out of the Custom Shop and they told me there are no more frames. The two short barreled guns I picked up recently and haven't had a chance to shoot. The 7 1/2" gun shoots great.   |
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Post by revolvercranker on Jan 16, 2024 20:58:25 GMT -5
Nice guns, nice shooting evans!
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Post by tj3006 on Jan 16, 2024 21:32:43 GMT -5
I would love new frontier, in 44 Special or .357.
I have a few custom Rugers , that are stronger and almost as pretty.
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Post by 45dragoon on Jan 17, 2024 1:06:37 GMT -5
I think you’re right !! It's an elegant revolver whose design was and still is far ahead of its time (as long as the design is executed correctly)! Until the 45acp conversion cylinder was produced for it, there wasn't much information about the capabilities of the revolver. Who knew the design would be able to handle steady loads of standard (21K psi) jacketed ammo !! much less running some +p's (23K!). Of course I'm speaking of Walt Kirst's 45acp Konversion cyl installed in modern reproduction revolvers. The old "school of thought" was to shoot "light loads" or "cowboy" loads of less than 1000fps . . . stay well under the top of tier 1 . . . I say nay!!!! One can now enjoy "big boy" loads in an elegant revolver that harkens back to the middle of the 19th century!! Even more so, the Dragoons offer some promising abilities with +p 45C loads and beyond!! Big boy loads . . . with style!!!! Mike Mike last year I bought a Pietta 1860 Colt. Of course I had it apart and was amazed at the quality of workmanship and the metal seemed very up to snuff. Now there were some minor things wrong with it. One was the groove diameter of the barrel was .450 and so was the cylinder mouths. I shot it first and the accuracy was so so. I then ran a .452 reamer down the cylinders. All the sudden the pistol a target gun. My best group at 35 yards, not 25, was one hole about the diameter of a 12 ga shotshell all six bullets. Now the interesting thing is I'm sold on Triple Seven. I safetly got both ball and hollow conical velocities that I would not wanted to have faced in those old days! The other thing I did was I had to make a new front sight, higher. It was shooting too high. Then I had to open up and recontour the ball loading notch so I could use the conical bullets. BTW that conical hollow base bullet is from a Lyman mould not made anymore that I both at the end of the sixties. Lyman stated it was for the Remington 1858 Army. It shoot really good too. I also like the 777 because it caused just about zero corrosion and is easy to clean. Tony Yessir, I agree again. They were war machines built for war and as a testament to the design and build quality, many are still fired today on a regular basis!! The best thing about the reproductions is that they are produced with much better materials than the originals. That gives us the ability to "modernize" them basicly the same way they did the originals . . . only this time, we can actually use "substantially useful" ammo for anything from punching paper to hunting!! The '60 Army with a 1:18 twist / 8" tube (Uberti) handles 230gr acp bullets rather nicely. They'll also tame the 45C easily!! Stepping up to the Dragoon (Uberti as well) gives you a revolver that soaks up recoil, stays a six shooter (the '60 is a 5 shooter) and has plenty of room in the chambers for heavy bullet experimenting !! There's lots of work to be done just finding out the limits and uses for these fascinating revolvers. Mike |
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Post by revolvercranker on Jan 17, 2024 10:43:34 GMT -5
Yessir, I agree again. They were war machines built for war and as a testament to the design and build quality, many are still fired today on a regular basis!! The best thing about the reproductions is that they are produced with much better materials than the originals. That gives us the ability to "modernize" them basicly the same way they did the originals . . . only this time, we can actually use "substantially useful" ammo for anything from punching paper to hunting!! The '60 Army with a 1:18 twist / 8" tube (Uberti) handles 230gr acp bullets rather nicely. They'll also tame the 45C easily!! Stepping up to the Dragoon (Uberti as well) gives you a revolver that soaks up recoil, stays a six shooter (the '60 is a 5 shooter) and has plenty of room in the chambers for heavy bullet experimenting !! There's lots of work to be done just finding out the limits and uses for these fascinating revolvers. Mike I've considered getting an acp cylinder for mine. I also have the ROA in stainless, that is the Ferrari of cap n ball revolver. I regularly shoot 20 grain swc 45 acp cast bullets from it and also the 255 swc cast RCBS bullet. Takes a little work to get that 255 in it, but it goes. With 777 I've pushed those 200 grainers to 1200 fps. Very accurate revolver too. |
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Post by 45dragoon on Jan 17, 2024 12:41:20 GMT -5
[quote timestamp="1705471597" I've considered getting an acp cylinder for mine. I also have the ROA in stainless, that is the Ferrari of cap n ball revolver. I regularly shoot 20 grain swc 45 acp cast bullets from it and also the 255 swc cast RCBS bullet. Takes a little work to get that 255 in it, but it goes. With 777 I've pushed those 200 grainers to 1200 fps. Very accurate revolver too. [/quote] I'm sure you'd like it (what's not to like!!) !!! I haven't done any testing with the Pietta so far. The twist is around 1:32 and all my "shooters" are Uberti. This whole +p ammo for these conversions is new territory for me and most everybody else. I do have a Pietta made '58 Remington platform in 45C (Kirst) but haven't done any "higher horsepower" testing. It's an excellent shooter though. Oddly enough, the top strap on the '58 is wider and thicker than the Pietta Frontier '73 !!! It may in fact eat a more "muscular" diet than the '73!! The ROA is indeed a nice platform, I've had many through the shop to set up for cowboy shooting. Good as they are, better spring layout lends plenty of room for a bolt block, better trigger feedback and I install a "user friendly" adjustable action stop. I have 2 stainless and 3 Blue and all have a . . . yep . . . 45C (Kirst) cylinder!! Those are RO capable and quite accurate!! I'm gonna have to get the photo thing going here one of these days!! Mike |
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Post by singleaction on Jan 17, 2024 13:17:42 GMT -5
I like New Frontiers, but IMHO Ruger Flattops are equally attractive, and stronger, especially the New Models. I wish the new models were a little lighter though. I agree with the OP about Colt dropping the ball by not updating the guns for better durability and strength.
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Post by revolvercranker on Jan 17, 2024 13:31:28 GMT -5
[quote timestamp="1705471597" I've considered getting an acp cylinder for mine. I also have the ROA in stainless, that is the Ferrari of cap n ball revolver. I regularly shoot 20 grain swc 45 acp cast bullets from it and also the 255 swc cast RCBS bullet. Takes a little work to get that 255 in it, but it goes. With 777 I've pushed those 200 grainers to 1200 fps. Very accurate revolver too. I'm sure you'd like it (what's not to like!!) !!! I haven't done any testing with the Pietta so far. The twist is around 1:32 and all my "shooters" are Uberti. This whole +p ammo for these conversions is new territory for me and most everybody else. I do have a Pietta made '58 Remington platform in 45C (Kirst) but haven't done any "higher horsepower" testing. It's an excellent shooter though. Oddly enough, the top strap on the '58 is wider and thicker than the Pietta Frontier '73 !!! It may in fact eat a more "muscular" diet than the '73!! The ROA is indeed a nice platform, I've had many through the shop to set up for cowboy shooting. Good as they are, better spring layout lends plenty of room for a bolt block, better trigger feedback and I install a "user friendly" adjustable action stop. I have 2 stainless and 3 Blue and all have a . . . yep . . . 45C (Kirst) cylinder!! Those are RO capable and quite accurate!! I'm gonna have to get the photo thing going here one of these days!! Mike [/quote] I think the only different in the ROA is a percussion cap Blackhawk. That I believe them make the barrels for it on the same barrel making equipment for the Blackhawk 45 Colt. One of the most accurate revolvers I own of any type. It's hole cutter when you do your part. I've heard Ruger tested them with smokeless powder. You know how Ruger likes to build a vault strong gun. |
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Post by bobwright on Jan 17, 2024 13:49:36 GMT -5
Here are my Colt New Frontiers in 45 Colt. The 7 1/2" was made in 2018 The 5 1/2" was made in 2017 The 4 3/4" was made in 2018 I had called Colt to inquire about them making a 44 Special out of the Custom Shop and they told me there are no more frames. The two short barreled guns I picked up recently and haven't had a chance to shoot. The 7 1/2" gun shoots great. Beautiful set of stags. Goes just perfectly with the New Frontier! Bob Wright |
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Post by revolvercranker on Jan 17, 2024 14:02:30 GMT -5
I don't know about you gentlemen, but I see a huge influence from the Colt New Frontier in the Ruger Blackhawk. With a few tweats, such as better steen, different front sight, aluminum grip frame and ejector housing (not all of them) and music wire coil springs Bill Ruger basically copied the Colt and made it better. Don't read my wrong I dearly love my Blackhawks. Ruger also sold them cheaper.
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Post by taffin on Jan 17, 2024 14:17:09 GMT -5
THE COLT NF(1962) CAME AFTER THE ORIGINAL BLACKHAWK (1955)AND COPIED IT SOME WHAT.
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