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Post by Encore64 on Feb 16, 2022 10:01:07 GMT -5
"Eliminate the human factor"? Why? It has to work in human hands. My human hands. Thoughts on how to improve or test my skills are welcome. Building a robot to shoot my gun for me, not happening. This is a very expected response at this point. My thoughts on eliminating the Human Factor is a must. Would you want a doctor to start writing prescriptions because you didn't feel good? Personally, I'd prefer more research. Three people (or more) may all shoot the same gun differently. I'd never start making changes to a gun due to the way anyone shoots it. If the gun is put in a mechanical rest, then the resulting tests would strictly be the result of the gun. Then problems could be diagnosed and hopefully resolved.
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rufus
.30 Stingray
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Post by rufus on Feb 16, 2022 10:58:53 GMT -5
I have followed this thread with interest, mainly because I am curious. BFR never interested me not one bit, nothing wrong with them just not for me, kinda like going in the 31 flavor Ice cream store, there are certain flavors I’ll never consider, undoubtably they do sell them though or they wouldn’t be in there. The question the OP needs to figure out, is it me or the gun. That’s why the mechanical rest comes in. If it shoots off a rest of some sort then that settles it. The gun is not for you because you can’t shoot it well, just like chocolate mint ice cream is not for me. And you can sell it or trade it with a clean conscious. Best of luck to you sir. That was my .02
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Post by bigbore5 on Feb 16, 2022 21:57:06 GMT -5
Try resting just your wrist on the sandbags. Make sure they are high enough that your elbows don't contact the bench in recoil. Shoot slowly. Don't worry about groups or anything else. The only shot that matters is the one you are firing then. Adter five then check your group size and arrangement on target. Clustered? Vertical string? Or what? Next choke up or down on the grip. Try that the same way. Try multiple ways until you get what works. It took me awhile to adjust to the bfr Bisley grip. But after I got the right combination, I out shoot my other frame designs decisively
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frankb
.240 Incinerator
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Post by frankb on Feb 17, 2022 17:17:30 GMT -5
Yup. Experiment starts soon. I have the gun back, and factory ammo inbound. Changing where and how I grip is a good start. Also, resting on wrists and not gun frame to rest will be attempted.
But really, why do I care how it shoots from a mechanical rest? If it doesn't shoot well in my hands, then help me with tips on how to shoot it better. If it helps anyone at all, please feel free to pretend I shot it from a mechanical rest, and it put five shots in a .510 size hole. Now what?
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Post by bradshaw on Feb 17, 2022 18:45:58 GMT -5
Yup. Experiment starts soon. I have the gun back, and factory ammo inbound. Changing where and how I grip is a good start. Also, resting on wrists and not gun frame to rest will be attempted. But really, why do I care how it shoots from a mechanical rest? If it doesn't shoot well in my hands, then help me with tips on how to shoot it better. If it helps anyone at all, please feel free to pretend I shot it from a mechanical rest, and it put five shots in a .510 size hole. Now what? ***** To clarify lingo.... * Mechanical rest----pistol held in a device. such as a clamp. Not hand held. Example: Ransom rest. * Artificial rest----pistol held in hand, rested on sandbag(s) or object. With either mechanical or artificial rest, the object is to eliminate human human movement during squeeze. Both methods are subject to inconsistency. The greater the variation in hold at letoff, the larger the group will be. Recoil amplifies unevenness of hold, whether mechanical or hand-held. David Bradshaw
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Post by 2 Dogs on Feb 17, 2022 19:26:02 GMT -5
Yup. Experiment starts soon. I have the gun back, and factory ammo inbound. Changing where and how I grip is a good start. Also, resting on wrists and not gun frame to rest will be attempted. But really, why do I care how it shoots from a mechanical rest? If it doesn't shoot well in my hands, then help me with tips on how to shoot it better. If it helps anyone at all, please feel free to pretend I shot it from a mechanical rest, and it put five shots in a .510 size hole. Now what? Put an empty case in every cylinder. Let it truly be a surprise when you get a click and not a boom. If you flinch, jerk, close your eyes or any such it will be readily obvious. Take a “control” sixgun. One you know you can shoot tidy groups with. Alternate between the control and the yet to be proven. These steps will eliminate the “you” question. Once we have that answer we can look at the gun and the ammo.
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diddle
.30 Stingray
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Post by diddle on Feb 19, 2022 13:14:34 GMT -5
But really, why do I care how it shoots from a mechanical rest? …
A: Because there are three major variables at play: the gun, the ammo and you. If, assuming that the sights are solid, using the same ammo, it performs properly from a mechanical rest (which removes all human error) there’s one variable left: human error AKA, you. Tough medicine sometimes, but that’s how it is.
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