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Post by bradshaw on Feb 10, 2022 11:34:06 GMT -5
So, I finally heard back. According to MR, my BFR is shooting 2 to 2.5 inch groups at 25 yards, depending on what ammo they use. So, obviously, the gun is not at fault. I just have to find a way to shoot it better. My hits are all over the target. I'm not consistently pulling or pushing in any certain direction. I'm going to have to spend some time figuring out what I'm doing to shoot such poor groups. ***** Sounds like one----or both----of two things. Fighting the gun* Death grip; using GROSS MOTOR SKILL to play an instrument introduces muscle tremor; impossible to float trigger finger. Hand is not designed for one finger to perform surgery while the other fingers restrain a water moccasin. * Ambivalent grip: changing grip pressure from shot to shot. Revolver grip* Unsuitable for shooter. David Bradshaw
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Post by randominator on Feb 10, 2022 12:10:07 GMT -5
I have two BFR's with the Bisley grip. I have to wear a good, thin pair of shooting gloves to get the best accuracy while shooting. That being said, I also replaced the factory polymer grips with some nice laminates. This helped quite a bit. ![](https://i.imgur.com/jinx8Ca.jpg)
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Post by seminolewind on Feb 10, 2022 13:21:22 GMT -5
A lot of factors about you and your gun come into play here beyond our ability to evaluate online. My experience with a BFR 454 went from me being very disappointed in the groups I could get, to today considering it to be as accurate as any gun I own. Only a few mechanical tweaks to the gun were made in the meantime. Most of the improvement came in my ability to shoot it better through powder burned.
But there is something to be said about a gun in which you just don't have any confidence. The test groups from MRI don't sound very confidence inspiring. If you can't get comfortable with it within a reasonable amount of effort, then moving it on may be the best thing.
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Post by frankb on Feb 10, 2022 14:00:35 GMT -5
For me, what I really enjoy is the clang of steel at 100 yards. Most of my pistols hit at at least 50 yards. Talking about 12 inch gongs.
For the money spent, a 12 inch gong at 100 should be hit after hit. Pending I can...
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Post by potatojudge on Feb 10, 2022 14:58:37 GMT -5
At any rate, it meets their expectations, and it is coming back. Likely hitting the auction block. Whether it shoots badly, or I shoot it badly, I do not think I will keep it. I'd do the same. There's other platforms out there, every bit as good or better than the BFR, that you wouldn't have to fight so hard to make work for you. 2.5 inches at 25 yards isn't a gun I'd struggle to master.
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Post by cmillard on Feb 10, 2022 14:58:56 GMT -5
For me, what I really enjoy is the clang of steel at 100 yards. Most of my pistols hit at at least 50 yards. Talking about 12 inch gongs. For the money spent, a 12 inch gong at 100 should be hit after hit. Pending I can... So, by chance have you tested it at 100 yards? Some loads are asleep at closer range but wake up so to speak further out. Case in point, lee martin's article on 5 shot .45 colts....the 100 yard 405 grain loads group, realistically wasn't too much bigger than the 25 and 50 yard groups. I would try some careful hand loads also
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Post by bradshaw on Feb 10, 2022 21:10:20 GMT -5
For me, what I really enjoy is the clang of steel at 100 yards. Most of my pistols hit at at least 50 yards. Talking about 12 inch gongs. For the money spent, a 12 inch gong at 100 should be hit after hit. Pending I can... So, by chance have you tested it at 100 yards? Some loads are asleep at closer range but wake up so to speak further out. Case in point, lee martin's article on 5 shot .45 colts....the 100 yard 405 grain loads group, realistically wasn't too much bigger than the 25 and 50 yard groups. I would try some careful hand loads also ***** This assertion----that some bullets waver off-axis at standard handgun distances, closing the oscillation the length of a football field or so----needs evidence on targets fired the same day. Same conditions, with the shooter in the same shape. Get. Julian Hatcher ran tests on .30-06 150 FMJ ( Hatcher’s Notebook). As I recall, Hatcher’s test included penetration in oak planks @ 50 and 200 yards. Memory says the ball round yawed into the wood @ 50 yards, to penetrate 11-inches. Don’t remember Hatcher comparing accuracy at the respective distances. Sierra manuals discuss bullet yaw, but when I talked to Sierra’s former High Power rifleman, Martin Hull, Hull told me that long, slippery match bullet in particular experience nose oscillation before going to sleep. But the bullet does not throw off-axis up close, to then settle down and shoot tighter out yonder. My own shooting makes me wonder about that conclusion----as pertains to high ballistic coefficient rifle bullets. However, I seriously doubt a handgun bullet with the BC of a barn door wanders off-axis and returns. I’m not a good enough shot to “do it on demand,” or “all day long.” Nor good enough----as in a black & white western----to ricochet a .45 off a potbelly stove, to kick the gun from an outlaw’s hand. CONCENTRATION, the ability to micro-focus on your target, can take on a life of its own as challenge escalates. David Bradshaw
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 10, 2022 21:33:02 GMT -5
I went back and read this entire thread again today. I wanted to refresh my memory on each post.
I'm of the belief that Problem Solving 101 still consist of and starts with eliminating the human factor.
We can all theorize and posts opinions. But, if one person shoots 5-6" and another shoots 2-2.5" groups, we've resolved absolutely nothing.
Until the human factor is eliminated, nothing can be attributed to the gun.
Many of us are fully aware of our abilities and limitations. It's the only path I know that consistently leads to improvement.
I'd start with measuring throats, chamber alignment, forcing cone, groove diameter, etc. I can neither criticize or correct a problem until I identify what the problem is.
When I read "what that gun should be capable of," I tremble. The finest gun out there is no better than the shooter holding it.
Fermin made an extremely generous offer to measure this gun out. Chances are he'll find the problem with the gun if there is a problem with the gun.
This seems like an ideal opportunity to learn about one's ability and equipment in one pass.
I suspect this gun, like all guns, was purchased because it was wanted.
See this thru till the end and you'll have a whole new outlook on personal resolve.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Feb 10, 2022 21:37:57 GMT -5
I went back and read this entire thread again today. I wanted to refresh my memory on each post. I'm of the belief that Problem Solving 101 still consist of and starts with eliminating the human factor. We can all theorize and posts opinions. But, if one person shoots 5-6" and another shoots 2-2.5" groups, we've resolved absolutely nothing. Until the human factor is eliminated, nothing can be attributed to the gun. Many of us are fully aware of our abilities and limitations. It's the only path I know that consistently leads to improvement. I'd start with measuring throats, chamber alignment, forcing cone, groove diameter, etc. I can neither criticize or correct a problem until I identify what the problem is. When I read "what that gun should be capable of." I tremble. The finest gun out there is no better than the shooter holding it. Fermin made an extremely generous offer to measure this gun out. Chances are he'll find the problem with the gun if there is a problem with the gun. This seems like an ideal opportunity to learn about one's ability and equipment in one pass. I suspect we this gun, like all guns, was purchased because it was wanted. See this thru till the end and you'll have a whole new outlook on personal resolve. I’m pretty sure I posted my phone number….and I agree with Huey. You have to have the resolve to see things thru till the end.
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Post by pacecars on Feb 11, 2022 15:18:18 GMT -5
Would MR be using a Ransome rest to do their test shooting? Would that be the best way to eliminate “human error”?
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Post by maxcactus on Feb 12, 2022 21:10:53 GMT -5
See this thru till the end and you'll have a whole new outlook on personal resolve. Quote of the week right there! It's SO easy to give up, surrender when things get difficult or we don't understand something. Perseverance is a virtue not nearly appreciated enough in today's age (not referring to the OP whatsoever here).
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Post by frankb on Feb 16, 2022 9:33:26 GMT -5
Recap: Gun fell apart. Gun doesn't shoot like I thought it would. Returned. MR "missed" FedEx three times. Gun sat for a week, no word. I called to find out everyone, included gunsmith at shot show. Waited two more weeks. I called. Too cold to shoot in MN. Waited until I saw several 30+ degree days. I called. "Shoots ok for us." Requested return of Gun. Another 3 days, Waited. Asked when it is shipping. "Monday, you will have it Wednesday." Arranged for an adult to be here on Wednesday to sign. Nope, shipped Tuesday, arriving Thursday. Just requested and received tracking info today (Wednesday).
Starting to feel like I bought a $1300 novelty piece from a group of people who really do not care about service after the sale...
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Post by frankb on Feb 16, 2022 9:39:00 GMT -5
I've shot it at 18, 25, 50, and 100 yards. By the time I'm shooting that far, can't even tell you where the bullets go.
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Post by frankb on Feb 16, 2022 9:41:29 GMT -5
"Eliminate the human factor"?
Why?
It has to work in human hands. My human hands.
Thoughts on how to improve or test my skills are welcome. Building a robot to shoot my gun for me, not happening.
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Post by frankb on Feb 16, 2022 9:47:44 GMT -5
It may well just not be the gun for me...
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