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Post by flyingzebra on Oct 22, 2021 19:57:10 GMT -5
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Post by Encore64 on Oct 22, 2021 20:02:34 GMT -5
There will be no shortage of stories. Coming from Hollywood, sure they'll be well scripted.
The only story I ever wonder if we'll get in these cases is the real one...
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Post by flyingzebra on Oct 22, 2021 20:04:45 GMT -5
There's a search warrant copy that's out already that details some of the event, apparently including the single projectile passing through the woman and striking the man
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Post by buttebob on Oct 22, 2021 20:10:24 GMT -5
I read that the camera crew walked off the set a couple of hours before the shot was fired because of unsafe working conditions. An nonunion crew was working when the shot was fired.
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Post by squawberryman on Oct 23, 2021 6:17:40 GMT -5
At the end of each day no matter your taste for Hollywood or Baldwin himself (mine sucks for both), he has to live with the fact that either flippantly or by specific direction he ended the life of a mother. Let's not "I heard" this thing to six pages.
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Post by mark500 on Oct 23, 2021 12:51:02 GMT -5
I understand it was Thell Reeds daughter handling the guns on set. A terrible tragedy.
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Post by jgt on Oct 23, 2021 13:35:50 GMT -5
Most of these happen when a dummy round is used with live primers and no powder in a scene where the camera zooms in to show cartridges in the cylinder. If they pull the trigger on one of those dummy rounds, the result will be a bullet lodged in the barrel from the energy produced by the primer. If in the ensuing events they do not clear that bullet from the barrel and fire a blank cartridge that does contain a live primer plus a powder charge the result is the bullet lodged in the barrel now become a projectile with most of the energy of a fully contained live cartridge. I believe that will be the chain of events that caused this accident. The underlying circumstances relating to this event could be from not having a budget for expert armorers that have protocols like pilots making a pre-flight check before flying. No step by step procedure to double check the bore is clear before firing blanks. Baldwin was the producer as well as acting, so the responsibility falls to him.
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Post by squawberryman on Oct 23, 2021 13:42:03 GMT -5
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Post by pacecars on Oct 23, 2021 16:30:01 GMT -5
Most of these happen when a dummy round is used with live primers and no powder in a scene where the camera zooms in to show cartridges in the cylinder. If they pull the trigger on one of those dummy rounds, the result will be a bullet lodged in the barrel from the energy produced by the primer. If in the ensuing events they do not clear that bullet from the barrel and fire a blank cartridge that does contain a live primer plus a powder charge the result is the bullet lodged in the barrel now become a projectile with most of the energy of a fully contained live cartridge. I believe that will be the chain of events that caused this accident. The underlying circumstances relating to this event could be from not having a budget for expert armorers that have protocols like pilots making a pre-flight check before flying. No step by step procedure to double check the bore is clear before firing blanks. Baldwin was the producer as well as acting, so the responsibility falls to him. Why in the hell would you want a dummy round with a live primer in it? Makes no sense whatsoever
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Post by bushog on Oct 23, 2021 16:40:02 GMT -5
The crew walked off for safety concerns...that they had to drive to Albuquerque to lodge instead of in Santa Fe (30 min closer) and said after working long days that was dangerous....
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Post by squawberryman on Oct 23, 2021 17:52:18 GMT -5
I'm wondering (as I'm not in the industry) why would there EVER be a need for a single round of real ammo on a movie set?
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Post by jgt on Oct 24, 2021 8:43:40 GMT -5
Pacecars, That was the first thing that went through my mind also, when I read about that situation in other mishaps. I would never have a live primer in any dummy round I make for myself or others.
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Post by bushog on Oct 24, 2021 8:56:53 GMT -5
Just a question but if no primer how does it go bang?
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Post by jgt on Oct 24, 2021 9:08:54 GMT -5
It doesn't. You use a case with no projectile, if it needs to go bang and do it in a different take.
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 24, 2021 10:29:32 GMT -5
CONTROL The issue is control. I got called to construction sites to blast rock----usually rock but sometimes concrete----which the contractor had not anticipated. Either had not anticipated or was to cheap to conduct test digging to determine sub-grade ground conditions. Naturally, the site is populated with excavators, trucks, workers. Unless the blaster has control of the area, Murphy will do his best to make things go wrong. An equipment operator may have experience with you and trust your shot to produce no surprises. He backs up his excavator and stops, expecting to watch an uneventful blast through his windshield. Hurts his feels when you tell to back up further and to face his machine the other way. Where in a telephone booth can you jump to avoid fly rock coming straight at you?
Murphy seeks opportunity in lapses of safety. SAFETY begins with CONTROL, continues through training & experience, then continues through CONTROL. If I call for the road to be shut down in both directions, we do it or I don’t blast. Progress is dead until my demolition is done.
When my late blasting partner Don the Dynamiter Matthieu redrilled a botched channel job across a river in New Jersey, he could not stop ship traffic on that part of the river. Certifiably insane. He and a 19 year old helper got blown up on a steel drilling barge. His fractured self survived, but his willingness to work in such compromised conditions did not. He said, “We’ll never know whether our drill hit an unfired charge left by the previous blaster, or some abient current or vibration from a passing freighter lit us up.”
Don Matthieu came from another era, boarding a plane in New York with suitcases full of dynamite for a blasting job in Venezuela, teaching Navy frogmen underwater demolitions in Korea, etc. The blaster is always the first on-site to inspect his shot. Nobody comes forward until the blaster gives the All Clear. On one construction job, a bulldozer operator insisted on digging before Don completed his post-blast inspection. The fool ignored Don’s wave-back. Don broke a piece off a stick of powder, primed it with manual cap & safety fuse, whipped it in front of the dozer. The blast cured the operator of impatience. On a job some years before, Don Matthieu watched a know-it-all dozer operator defy protocol to dig the smoldering blast site. The operator set off unexploded powder, the blast vectoring over the dozer blade to shear off his head.
I used Don Matthieu’s cautionary tales to encourage safety among equipment operators I worked with. Persons have also been shielded by the dozer blade. Whereas, with an excavator, you may find the powder between you and the bucket, the bucket acting like a crater in steel to reflect blast straight at the operator!
Measured against a clock & deadline, safety looks slow. Against tragedy, safety measures efficient. David Bradshaw
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