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Post by pacecars on Oct 22, 2021 8:13:17 GMT -5
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Post by bushog on Oct 22, 2021 8:53:24 GMT -5
Right down the road….
I know nothing about blanks but how could this happen unless live rounds got introduced into the equation?
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Post by bula on Oct 22, 2021 8:59:30 GMT -5
Sigh..When I've participated in Force-on-Force training, real guns and knives come off. Airsoft guns and rubber blades go on. Even back-up weapons. THEN we all check each other, pat down. Leave no room for error.
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Post by seminolewind on Oct 22, 2021 8:59:41 GMT -5
Two people were shot. Why wouldn't anyone notice something was wrong after the first shot, unless one shot hit two people?
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Post by bushog on Oct 22, 2021 10:05:22 GMT -5
Two people were shot. Why wouldn't anyone notice something was wrong after the first shot, unless one shot hit two people? It was Alec Baldwin.... |
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Post by magman on Oct 22, 2021 11:04:44 GMT -5
Don't worry it will get pushed under the rug.
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 22, 2021 11:16:49 GMT -5
Any political slant given this topic will be deleted.
I remember as a kid hearing from WW II vets of a soldier killed when another grunt pointed an M1 at him and touched off a blank. Some guys did not appreciate the power of a blank. There was a guardhouse at a base in D.C. with .45 holes through the roof and walls which happened during a changing of the guard. I know of a film wherein a well established actor refused to abide by the prop master’s gun handling protocol. Far as I know, filming was allowed to continue.
I can’t stand to see propane muzzle flashes or animated----digital----gunfire. I miss the real black powder blanks of old-time westerns. Exceedingly unlikely that Audie Murphy or Gary Cooper or Ben Johnson would shoot someone on the set by accident. Guns I handled in a prop warehouse in Italy during our festival or Dance, Music & Dynamite (Rome 1969), were all set up to fire blank ammunition. Muzzles had restrictor washers installed. Nevertheless, you wouldn’t point an M1 Garand or Model 98 Mauser or 1873 Winchester at someone’s gut and pull the trigger on a crimped or paper wad blank.
I imagine prop masters have their hands full, ofttimes confronted by gun-ignorant Hollywood egos. It has nothing to do with politics. Knowledgeable gun handlers cover all political persuasions. The issue is firearms ignorance versus firearms knowledge. The scheme of theatre relies on fantasy----the illusion of an event. The hero walks toward the camera, without so much as a flinch or lookback as car or building explodes behind him. Would you do that?
Real blasting is a head’s up game. Unless you are under cover----overhead cover----you want to SEE shrapnel or fly coming your way... a step to the side saves your life.
To mix phony guns with blank firing firearms on a movie set is a recipe for disaster, especially with Hollywood ego & firearms ignorance join the soup.
Misfire
All I heard on the radio this morning: a movie prop firearm held by actor Alex Baldwin “misfired,” resulting in a fatality and a wounding. The term misfire is confusing, as the definition means “did not fire.” In the lingo of live ammo, a pull of the trigger on a live round which does not discharge, is called a misfire.
David Bradshaw
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Post by pacecars on Oct 22, 2021 12:22:19 GMT -5
No politics meant when I posted this. There have been several high profile “accidents” with prop guns in Hollywood. Brandon Lee was shot when a real round was loaded in one of the guns on set and one actor was killed when he played Russian Roulette with a blank gun. When non-gun people get to play with “safe” guns they don’t have the respect that we would have for the danger involved
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Post by Encore64 on Oct 22, 2021 12:39:04 GMT -5
Jon-Erik Hexum put a gun loaded with a blank to his head and pulled the trigger on the casting set. The blast shattered part of his skull and killed himself.
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Post by potatojudge on Oct 22, 2021 12:54:25 GMT -5
Safe gun handling and the use of firearms on set are mutually exclusive. There is no getting around pointing a gun at a person and pulling the trigger having an element of danger.
None of us would ever do what Alec did (reports say pointed and "shot" as a joke) but he lives in another world. Safety is engrained in us shooters. On-set he is assured guns are props rather than weapons. His job is to trust the prop master and act as directed.
Lots of people to feel sorry for here, whether they are partially at fault or no, and hopefully prop safety will be revisited because of this.
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Oct 22, 2021 17:25:16 GMT -5
When I was a tactics instructor at Camp Geiger (Camp Lejeune) we had trainees use blanks in various classes. As an illustration of the need for safety with blanks, I would often take a Marine trainee‘s M1, in front of the class, chamber a blank after putting an empty en-bloc clip on the muzzle, and pull the trigger with the muzzle elevated more or less straight up. I would then finish whatever sentence I was saying, and call the group to ˋˋAttention ´´, so there would be no noise. I would hold up a finger to get their attention, and the en-bloc clip could clearly be heard as a ˋˋ tink ´´ hitting the ground about 50 yards or so away.
The point was understood.
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Post by dougader on Oct 22, 2021 18:24:31 GMT -5
The news stories I read said there was one live round of ammo in the prop gun.
Most people don't understand how dangerous blank cartridges can be.
My question is this: for what reason would Alec Baldwin be pointing a prop gun at a director or cinematographer?? Screwing around/horseplay? With a prop gun? WTH??
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Post by flyingzebra on Oct 22, 2021 18:52:40 GMT -5
Anything that an actor is holding while filming on set is a prop
A real firearm can be a prop gun
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Post by flyingzebra on Oct 22, 2021 18:57:10 GMT -5
The term "misfire" is being used as replacement for the proper term "negligent discharge"
There had been two previous negligent discharges on the set.
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Post by wheelguns on Oct 22, 2021 19:31:44 GMT -5
Supposedly, the scene was to depict someone being shot by Alec Baldwin. He was supposed to be pointing the gun at the camera. The two people shot were behind the camera. He is also the producer of the film. It was a low budget film, ironically, about a grandfather and his grandson running from the law after an accidental shooting. Being a low budget film, there was one prop guy. No armorer, or anyone else, and Baldwin was rushing everyone to get the scene wrapped up.
This is just what I have gleaned from a variety of sources. It could be proven false, but it does make a little sense.
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