jwp475
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Post by jwp475 on Aug 22, 2021 9:30:40 GMT -5
I can see a Bradshaw-Martin cast POWDER COAT for the 10mm Auto. About 190 grains. Beyond a sharp corner at ogive/meplat, we might challenge tradition on what feeds in a semiautomatic. haven’t anything bigger than small game with the compromised Truncated Cone answer to the old Round Nose. Except livestock, which is calculated murder not hunting. The ground probably has been covered with Wide Flat Nose designs, yet a WFL or LFN (Long Flat Nose) may not satisfy the adventurous quality of a gun 10mm Auto to reach down yonder----accurately and with a degree of punch. Such worthies as Les Baer showed showed decades ago there is no contradiction between RELIABILITY and ACCURACY in a properly built John Browning 1911. Intrinsic accuracy is a trait of the 10mm Auto. When one looks at the pistols of John Moses Browning, an abiding discipline to keep his pistols FLAT becomes apparent. Nevertheless, the fat slide on a Glock 10mm on my hip is less offensive than its frostbite trigger. There are times, even around a barn setup, I want my hand gloved. For those impervious to cold, and we’re not talking about “cold" in the South, raw as humidity may supply penetration. No, a new bullet for the 10mm Auto should lean on----compliment----the cartridge’s inherent accuracy & range. David Bradshaw I would like to also see Lee do a .357 in about 200gr as well as a 10mm in 200gr, I did have a 240gr 10mm mold cut (for suppressed use) that is a WFN with a .300" sharp cornered meplat and it feeds in my Glock 21 as well as a DI AR15 upper I have in 10mm. I Don't have a 10mm 1911, but if you do I could send you a few to verify feeding in the 10mm, if it feeds, gives a starting point for Lee's LFN design. I have run several hundred of my design thru my AR15 10mm and accuracy is about 1-1.5" at 25 yds, I haven't tested accuracy at any other distance yet, but other then dropping like a rock it should do ok @ 50 and I am not sure about 100 yds. I have only seen the Corder 230gr in pics, as well as haven't seen an LBT 10mm LFN. I think it is worth a shot to get a 10mm LFN design and a mold cut to see what it will do.  The Bradshaw Martin is 194 grains, I'd think the 6 grains difference in 194 and 200 is meaningless |
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Post by bradshaw on Aug 22, 2021 9:44:56 GMT -5
41freak.... one thing my preferred 10mm Auto loads don’t do is drop like a rock. My first handholds in 10mm seated the pre-XTP Hornady 155 JHP over (as I recall, roughly), 13 grains/Accurate #7; and the Hornady 180 JHP over 11.1/AA#7. High on a hill of their new farm, a photographer and his wife asked whether I could hit anything with the pistol on my hip. Which happened to be the Colt Delta Elite, loaded with Hornady 155 JHP. They though I’d pick a rock or clod of sod on the hill we stood. Instead, I pointed to a piece of deadfall floating a wide stream, separated from my muzzle by the hill we stood, their farmhouse, a road, and a cow pasture, for close to 400 yards to the floating wood. I squeezed but one shot, which sent a water spout precisely at the waterline of the wood.
I held a small chip of front sight, aided by the gun’s POI (Point of Impact) 6” high @ 100 yards, and the downhill factor, which shortens horizontal distance. Nevertheless, a long shot, one which would stretch the credulity of a .45 ACP. The new owners of the farm said they’d never seen anything like that. Certainly my pre-Gold Cup Colt 1911 National Match would have been hard pressed to lob its mortar shell so neatly.
Thus, after accuracy, a prime consideration for my 10mm Auto is flatness.
Webber reminds me that the gutter-like front of the 1911 magazine limits use of wide meplat bullets----which drag on the radius. Thus, a wide meplat must be seated deeper. I would go around the wide meplat, apply a bit of what we’ve learned from the Bradshaw-Martin 194 SWC Maximum.
David Bradshaw
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Post by 41freak on Aug 22, 2021 16:26:24 GMT -5
I would like to also see Lee do a .357 in about 200gr as well as a 10mm in 200gr, I did have a 240gr 10mm mold cut (for suppressed use) that is a WFN with a .300" sharp cornered meplat and it feeds in my Glock 21 as well as a DI AR15 upper I have in 10mm. I Don't have a 10mm 1911, but if you do I could send you a few to verify feeding in the 10mm, if it feeds, gives a starting point for Lee's LFN design. I have run several hundred of my design thru my AR15 10mm and accuracy is about 1-1.5" at 25 yds, I haven't tested accuracy at any other distance yet, but other then dropping like a rock it should do ok @ 50 and I am not sure about 100 yds. I have only seen the Corder 230gr in pics, as well as haven't seen an LBT 10mm LFN. I think it is worth a shot to get a 10mm LFN design and a mold cut to see what it will do. The Bradshaw Martin is 194 grains, I'd think the 6 grains difference in 194 and 200 is meaningless True 6gr isn't much and if the LFN was same weight I would be happy, but not sure how well the 194 BM design will feed in an AR15 (350 Ledgend, it won't matter in my G2 when I get the bbl made.), once I get my mold I will see, if it doesn't feed then I would like to see the LFN for .357 come to fruition (with what I would assume would be a larger meplat then the 194 BM current design.) |
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Post by 41freak on Aug 22, 2021 16:48:25 GMT -5
41freak.... one thing my preferred 10mm Auto loads don’t do is drop like a rock. My first handholds in 10mm seated the pre-XTP Hornady 155 JHP over (as I recall, roughly), 13 grains/ Accurate #7; and the Hornady 180 JHP over 11.1/AA#7. High on a hill of their new farm, a photographer and his wife asked whether I could hit anything with the pistol on my hip. Which happened to be the Colt Delta Elite, loaded with Hornady 155 JHP. They though I’d pick a rock or clod of sod on the hill we stood. Instead, I pointed to a piece of deadfall floating a wide stream, separated from my muzzle by the hill we stood, their farmhouse, a road, and a cow pasture, for close to 400 yards to the floating wood. I squeezed but one shot, which sent a water spout precisely at the waterline of the wood. I held a small chip of front sight, aided by the gun’s POI (Point of Impact) 6” high @ 100 yards, and the downhill factor, which shortens horizontal distance. Nevertheless, a long shot, one which would stretch the credulity of a .45 ACP. The new owners of the farm said they’d never seen anything like that. Certainly my pre-Gold Cup Colt 1911 National Match would have been hard pressed to lob its mortar shell so neatly. Thus, after accuracy, a prime consideration for my 10mm Auto is flatness. Webber reminds me that the gutter-like front of the 1911 magazine limits use of wide meplat bullets----which drag on the radius. Thus, a wide meplat must be seated deeper. I would go around the wide meplat, apply a bit of what we’ve learned from the Bradshaw-Martin 194 SWC Maximum. David Bradshaw I agree the 135gr and 155gr 10mm bullets @ full velocity are flat shooting, but for my use of suppressed hunting, my 240gr bullet @ 1050fps, should be a hammer, I plan to find out this summer on some hog hunts I have scheduled. I am not sure I would trust the 155gr to cleanly take a 200lb hog. And since 80% of my shots are @ less then 20 yds, it will do fine, but I would like a better shaped LFN that would allow me to extend my range from 0-100yds that would allow me to have 100% of my shots covered. As I am comfortable with my current 240gr bullet load out to 50yds (by using a little higher hold on the target.), but don't think I would take a shot past that distance with my 240gr bullet. Yes I can/will take the time and get the load dialed in and know what the drops are out to 100yds but that will take time to get it dialed in. |
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Post by bigbore5 on Sept 14, 2021 3:05:54 GMT -5
Is that .512" 505gr for the Linebaugh? If so what's Accurate's catalog #. I'd like to see it.
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Post by 41freak on Sept 14, 2021 6:03:13 GMT -5
Is that .512" 505gr for the Linebaugh? If so what's Accurate's catalog #. I'd like to see it. I haven't gotten to the .512 bullet yet, the only designs done and cataloged are listed in this thread. I hope to get more of them done in a few weeks. |
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Post by bradshaw on Sept 14, 2021 19:56:53 GMT -5
41freak.... at such time you put the crimp on some hogs, please report results here. Pork comes in such a huge scale of sizes. Circus magnate P.T. Barnum shouted, “I’m not going to stop until I’ve collected every freak in the universe!” Were he alive today, he’d surely want one of them big Texas porkers in his circus.
Pigskin makes for elastic, very strong leather. For holsters such as Chic Gaylord made, pigskin can be skived thin and still be strong enough to water-mold. Pigskin gloves are a pride of European road racers. Once in a while someone says pigs have no armor. Such statements may come from people who’ve never skun pig, wherein the hide rolls easily enough, until the shoulder area, wherein the hide must be trimmed round until a shield folds over like a slab of plywood. This tells me the pig has developed armor to shield against sideways head-whips from other pigs. This evolution is not because our tribe has been shooting at them with 9mm’s and .223’s.
I love me some pork----not some old rank hog. But I’d hate to have to live on it..
Folks like Trey on Singleactions have far more hog killing’ experience than me. I have just enough to know I think about bullet placement every time, and to always relate cartridge and bullet to game at hand. If you’re in the market for hogs, and the circus is in town, might just as well take a tip from Sixshot and Snyd, and pack two revolvers for the long and short of it.
POWDER COAT
Powder coating joins penetration advantage of cast to the expansion advantage of jacket soft point or hollow point. Powder coat breathes new life into our sixguns.
David Bradshaw
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Post by 41freak on Sept 15, 2021 16:00:20 GMT -5
41freak.... at such time you put the crimp on some hogs, please report results here. Pork comes in such a huge scale of sizes. Circus magnate P.T. Barnum shouted, “I’m not going to stop until I’ve collected every freak in the universe!” Were he alive today, he’d surely want one of them big Texas porkers in his circus. Pigskin makes for elastic, very strong leather. For holsters such as Chic Gaylord made, pigskin can be skived thin and still be strong enough for water-moldeding. Pigskin gloves are a pride of European road racers. Once in a while someone says pigs have no armor. Such statements may come from people who’ve never skun pig, wherein the hide rolls easily enough, until the shoulder area, wherein the hide must be trimmed round until a shield folds over like a slab of plywood. This tells me the pig has developed armor to shield against sideways head-whips from other pigs. This evolution is not because our tribe has been shooting at them with 9mm’s and .223’s. I love me some pork----not some old rank hog. But I’d hate to have to live on it.. Folks like Trey on Singleactions have far more hog killing’ experience than me. I have just enough to know I think about bullet placement very time, and to always relate cartridge and bullet to game at hand. If you’re in the market for hogs, and the circus is in town, might just as well take a tip from Sixshot and Snyd, and pack two revolvers for the long and short of it. POWDER COATPowder coating joins penetration advantage of cast to the expansion advantage of jacket soft point or hollow point. Powder coat breathes new life into our sixguns. David Bradshaw If PT Barnum were alive today, he wouldn't know where to put all the freaks that are around nowadays. When hunting hogs, shot placement and having a good penatrating bullet are tops for me. Yes there more than likely alot of pigs taken with a 22lr, but now that I am fat and older (and know I am not super human anymore) I prefer to hammer them so they don't run into the thick stuff, and me having to go in after them. In the last 10 years or so I have only lost 1 hog I shot, which I knew was a bad shot on my part and I spent 4 hours looking for it and luckily my buddy I was hunting with ran across it several miles away from where I shot it and he killed it. So I wasn't to mad, but I hated having to look for it and from then on I don't take a shot unless I know I can hit my mark. Usually mid/high shoulder with a 41 or above caliber and break one or both shoulders and stop them. Most of the time they are dead right there and if for any reason they still are moving when I walk up on them they will get a second shot in the ear, which stops them 100%. I see people hunting hogs with .223 (fmj ammo) and I cringe knowing they will be shooting hogs and punching tiny holes in them and never finding them when they run off. I agree powder coating opened up more doors for cast bullet shooters. While I haven't shot a hog with a powder coated bullet yet, I don't think they will be much different then my normal cast bullets. Most of the hogs here in Florida near me are in the 200lb range with some hitting 300lb range. Not sure what I would do seeing a 400-500lb hog in the wild, but hopefully after soiling myself, be able to take the shot/shots. |
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Post by bushog on Nov 10, 2021 18:37:09 GMT -5
The Lee Martin 315gr 45 design is in Accurate Molds catalog as 45-319D  Just received one of these molds in a 5 cavity aluminum version. Should be a bullet machine and empty a pot in a hurry! Thanks again for working with Lee and Tom to make these available. |
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Post by 41freak on Nov 10, 2021 22:17:58 GMT -5
Thanks, I need to get some time to shoot the ones I cast, I hope to by the end of the month. I also hope to get some time to get the .510 Martin LFN drawn up as well shortly.
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Post by wvhunter460 on Jan 12, 2022 18:41:00 GMT -5
With Dan at Mountain Molds retired, I am working with Lee to get his bullet designs redrawn and submitted to Tom at Accurate Molds to add to his catalog so they can be cut. This thread is going to be where the drawings are posted and they will be labeled with the Accurate Molds catalog # so you can easily order a mold. I will get as many/all of Lee's designs done as soon as possible. The first design is Lee's 41-240gr LFN  The next design is the 45-315gr LFN. That would be one I would be interested in for sure . |
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Post by Lee Martin on Feb 18, 2022 19:06:11 GMT -5
I just cast up a bunch of my .41 caliber 240 gr LFNs. Curious to know how they shoot for others on the forum. I know a few of you ordered the mold.  -Lee www.singleactions.com"Chasing perfection five shots at a time" |
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Post by bushog on Feb 18, 2022 19:18:37 GMT -5
I just cast up a bunch of my .41 caliber 240 gr LFNs. Curious to know how they shoot for others on the forum. I know a few of you ordered the mold. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Chasing perfection five shots at a time" As soon as it thaws out. What’s your favorite l load for this one? |
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Post by Lee Martin on Feb 18, 2022 19:23:29 GMT -5
I love 7.0 of Green Dot. Goes 900 fps from my 4 5/8" Blackhawk and prints well. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Chasing perfection five shots at a time" |
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Post by jwp475 on Apr 19, 2022 20:44:58 GMT -5
I just cast up a bunch of my .41 caliber 240 gr LFNs. Curious to know how they shoot for others on the forum. I know a few of you ordered the mold. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Chasing perfection five shots at a time" That is great looking bullet. I bet at 1350 FPS this bullet would up the 41 mag a bit up the food chain. Probably capable of 1400+ |
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