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Post by Lee Martin on Jul 28, 2021 8:11:30 GMT -5
Looks good. What alloy did you use and over what powder? Years ago I was going to build a Contender barrel in .45 Win Mag. I have the dies and brass but never got around to it. Eager to see how this bullet does in yours. And I may still weld up a Contender barrel for the round. Your picture moved that project up the list. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Chasing perfection five shots at a time" |
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Post by 41freak on Jul 28, 2021 9:21:10 GMT -5
Looks good. What alloy did you use and over what powder? Years ago I was going to build a Contender barrel in .45 Win Mag. I have the dies and brass but never got around to it. Eager to see how this bullet does in yours. And I may still weld up a Contender barrel for the round. Your picture moved that project up the list. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Chasing perfection five shots at a time" I haven't gotten that far yet. I still need to coat and size the bullets, then I am thinking of working up 2 loads, one subsonic (I do alot of suppressed hog hunting) and one mid/full power. My barrel is 8" if I remember correctly so they should be zipping along with a full dose of 296 or H110. My normal Alloy is WW with some tin added, and in this pot there was also 1 ingot of soft added. These came out @ 322gr. The next pot will be my normal alloy and they should drop closer to 319-320gr. As cast diameter is spot on @ .453 and of the 100 or so I cast they were very consistent in weight and varied. 3gr to .8gr. |
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Post by jwp475 on Aug 2, 2021 18:05:49 GMT -5
Keith liked the square edge and felt it was better at holding lube. But lubes have come a long way in 80 years. Elmer did claim the square edge improved accuracy. I've yet to see evidence of such. Like most of you, I've shot cast bullets with square edges and angled transitions. If an angled groove throws dynamic stability out of whack, I want nothing to do with that bullet. But I'm open to being shown otherwise ("otherwise" meaning targets). As an aside, when Bradshaw designed our 194 gr SWC, the groove lead was hardly discussed (if at all). The groove angle was set to 45 degrees. That bullet flies as good, if not better, than any cast bullet I've shot from a handgun. Do I think a square edge would change that? Nope. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Chasing perfection five shots at a time" I agree đź’Ż% |
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Post by 41freak on Aug 19, 2021 18:33:29 GMT -5
I spoke to Tom and his hand is healing well and he was able to draw up and catalog the Martin Bradshaw 194 357 bullet.  |
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Post by Lee Martin on Aug 20, 2021 7:36:14 GMT -5
Great news on the 194 gr Bradshaw-Martin. I've had people ask where to get one after Mountain Molds hung it up. And I knew Tom's arm must be doing better. I received a mold from his this week. Hope to cast on it this afternoon. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Chasing perfection five shots at a time" |
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Post by silcott on Aug 20, 2021 20:42:19 GMT -5
I finally got the chance today to turn loose some of the 194gr that I got off Sixshot.
WOW! These are definitely the most accurate bullet that I've tried in my Ruger maximum. Both my scoped 7 1/2" and my open sighted 10" shot them under 1 1/4" at 25yds. With a very poor rest. (Resting the ERH on a plastic ammo box)
They were loaded over 18.5gr of IMR4227 and a CCI400 in new Remington brass.
Thanks you David and Lee for a accurate bullet. Now to try them on a deer.
Justin
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Post by bradshaw on Aug 20, 2021 21:07:17 GMT -5
I finally got the chance today to turn loose some of the 194gr that I got off Sixshot. WOW! These are definitely the most accurate bullet that I've tried in my Ruger maximum. Both my scoped 7 1/2" and my open sighted 10" shot them under 1 1/4" at 25yds. With a very poor rest. (Resting the ERH on a plastic ammo box) They were loaded over 18.5gr of IMR4227 and a CCI400 in new Remington brass. Thanks you David and Lee for a accurate bullet. Now to try them on a deer. Justin ***** Justin.... haven’t killed diddly with our Bradshaw-Martin 194 SWC. Against that, I’d feel good taking it for any ridge running whitetail. Haven’t even tried our 194 as hard cast. All may results so far suggest that in the soft skinned market, the anneal provided by the POWDER COAT process demonstrates a predictability in the progression of expansion seen in relatively few jackted bullets. As for your choice of a “rest,” no comment! David Bradshaw |
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Post by Odin on Aug 20, 2021 21:11:42 GMT -5
I realize the amount of work I am suggesting someone else do, but I for one would love to see all of Lee's designs scaled across the full range of calibers. While I don't know a lot about the far ends of the caliber spectrum - .25/.32 and .501/.510, respectively - I'm betting there are a ton of useful applications for Lee's designs in 357-41-44-45 caliber guns.
Plus, experimentation is, at times, more than a little enjoyable.
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Post by 41freak on Aug 20, 2021 22:19:14 GMT -5
I realize the amount of work I am suggesting someone else do, but I for one would love to see all of Lee's designs scaled across the full range of calibers. While I don't know a lot about the far ends of the caliber spectrum - .25/.32 and .501/.510, respectively - I'm betting there are a ton of useful applications for Lee's designs in 357-41-44-45 caliber guns. Plus, experimentation is, at times, more than a little enjoyable. I am in the process of drawing up all of Lee's designs, Lee has sent me some as cast bullets: .45 375gr gas checked, .515 I don't remember the weight, and a .589 BIG BOY.... I hope to get with Lee once I get these drawn up and see what other designs he has. |
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Post by Lee Martin on Aug 21, 2021 7:44:26 GMT -5
I realize the amount of work I am suggesting someone else do, but I for one would love to see all of Lee's designs scaled across the full range of calibers. While I don't know a lot about the far ends of the caliber spectrum - .25/.32 and .501/.510, respectively - I'm betting there are a ton of useful applications for Lee's designs in 357-41-44-45 caliber guns. Plus, experimentation is, at times, more than a little enjoyable. I have an entire line of my LFNs. Thanks to 41freak, we're getting them cataloged with Accurate Molds. I need to send him more samples aside from the ones he mentioned above. Martin LFNs as of right now include: 133 gr 32-cal 228 gr 375-cal (light LFN profile) 240 gr 41-cal (light LFN profile) 290 gr 41-cal 315 gr 45-cal (light LFN profile) 380 gr 45-cal 370 gr 475-cal (light LFN profile) 445 gr 475-cal 515 gr 501-cal 505 gr 512-cal (light LFN profile) 585 gr 512-cal 800 gr 585-cal I haven't done a 358 yet because our Bradshaw-Martin is shooting so well. I also skipped 10mm because Todd Corder sent me a fantastic 230 gr 6-cavity mold. Lastly, I have the drawings for a 340 gr and 285 gr 44-cal. The latter is the light Martin LFN. -Lee www.singleactions.com "Chasing perfection five shots at a time" |
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Post by silcott on Aug 21, 2021 8:16:49 GMT -5
I realize the amount of work I am suggesting someone else do, but I for one would love to see all of Lee's designs scaled across the full range of calibers. While I don't know a lot about the far ends of the caliber spectrum - .25/.32 and .501/.510, respectively - I'm betting there are a ton of useful applications for Lee's designs in 357-41-44-45 caliber guns. Plus, experimentation is, at times, more than a little enjoyable. I have an entire line of my LFNs. Thanks to 41freak, we're getting them cataloged with Accurate Molds. I need to send him more samples aside from the ones he mentioned above. Martin LFNs as of right now include: 133 gr 32-cal 228 gr 375-cal (light LFN profile) 240 gr 41-cal (light LFN profile) 290 gr 41-cal 315 gr 45-cal (light LFN profile) 380 gr 45-cal 370 gr 475-cal (light LFN profile) 445 gr 475-cal 515 gr 501-cal 505 gr 512-cal (light LFN profile) 585 gr 512-cal 800 gr 585-cal I haven't done a 358 yet because our Bradshaw-Martin is shooting so well. I also skipped 10mm because Todd Corder sent me a fantastic 230 gr 6-cavity mold. Lastly, I have the drawings for a 340 gr and 285 gr 44-cal. The latter is the light Martin LFN. -Lee www.singleactions.com "Chasing perfection five shots at a time" I'd be interested in seeing that 10mm bullet. Justin |
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Post by leadhound on Aug 21, 2021 19:42:23 GMT -5
I'd be interested in seeing that 10mm bullet. Justin If'n it's the same as mine its these, well one of them, one is 200gr the other is the 230gr. Pic I stole from Todd,they are loaded in 38-40 brass.  |
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Post by bradshaw on Aug 21, 2021 22:18:45 GMT -5
I can see a Bradshaw-Martin cast POWDER COAT for the 10mm Auto. About 190 grains. Beyond a sharp corner at ogive/meplat, we might challenge tradition on what feeds in a semiautomatic. haven’t anything bigger than small game with the compromised Truncated Cone answer to the old Round Nose. Except livestock, which is calculated murder not hunting. The ground probably has been covered with Wide Flat Nose designs, yet a WFL or LFN (Long Flat Nose) may not satisfy the adventurous quality of a gun 10mm Auto to reach down yonder----accurately and with a degree of punch.
Such worthies as Les Baer showed showed decades ago there is no contradiction between RELIABILITY and ACCURACY in a properly built John Browning 1911. Intrinsic accuracy is a trait of the 10mm Auto. When one looks at the pistols of John Moses Browning, an abiding discipline to keep his pistols FLAT becomes apparent.
Nevertheless, the fat slide on a Glock 10mm on my hip is less offensive than its frostbite trigger. There are times, even around a barn setup, I want my hand gloved. For those impervious to cold, and we’re not talking about “cold" in the South, raw as humidity may supply penetration.
No, a new bullet for the 10mm Auto should lean on----compliment----the cartridge’s inherent accuracy & range.
David Bradshaw
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Post by 41freak on Aug 22, 2021 7:38:41 GMT -5
I can see a Bradshaw-Martin cast POWDER COAT for the 10mm Auto. About 190 grains. Beyond a sharp corner at ogive/meplat, we might challenge tradition on what feeds in a semiautomatic. haven’t anything bigger than small game with the compromised Truncated Cone answer to the old Round Nose. Except livestock, which is calculated murder not hunting. The ground probably has been covered with Wide Flat Nose designs, yet a WFL or LFN (Long Flat Nose) may not satisfy the adventurous quality of a gun 10mm Auto to reach down yonder----accurately and with a degree of punch. Such worthies as Les Baer showed showed decades ago there is no contradiction between RELIABILITY and ACCURACY in a properly built John Browning 1911. Intrinsic accuracy is a trait of the 10mm Auto. When one looks at the pistols of John Moses Browning, an abiding discipline to keep his pistols FLAT becomes apparent. Nevertheless, the fat slide on a Glock 10mm on my hip is less offensive than its frostbite trigger. There are times, even around a barn setup, I want my hand gloved. For those impervious to cold, and we’re not talking about “cold" in the South, raw as humidity may supply penetration. No, a new bullet for the 10mm Auto should lean on----compliment----the cartridge’s inherent accuracy & range. David Bradshaw I would like to also see Lee do a .357 in about 200gr as well as a 10mm in 200gr, I did have a 240gr 10mm mold cut (for suppressed use) that is a WFN with a .300" sharp cornered meplat and it feeds in my Glock 21 as well as a DI AR15 upper I have in 10mm. I Don't have a 10mm 1911, but if you do I could send you a few to verify feeding in the 10mm, if it feeds, gives a starting point for Lee's LFN design. I have run several hundred of my design thru my AR15 10mm and accuracy is about 1-1.5" at 25 yds, I haven't tested accuracy at any other distance yet, but other then dropping like a rock it should do ok @ 50 and I am not sure about 100 yds. I have only seen the Corder 230gr in pics, as well as haven't seen an LBT 10mm LFN. I think it is worth a shot to get a 10mm LFN design and a mold cut to see what it will do.  |
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Post by webber on Aug 22, 2021 7:52:28 GMT -5
Sorry, shouldn't have posted.
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