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Post by bigbore5 on Nov 29, 2023 20:09:37 GMT -5
I just looked back at Fermin's post. What's the story about the hammers with the bird cutouts?
How about a 3-leaf clover? It's got my Irish thinking.
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Post by bradshaw on Nov 29, 2023 21:08:27 GMT -5
Another illustrated lesson in the ergonomics of single actions, by Ronnie Wells.
Professor John Linebaugh conducted explorations in “Triggernometry.”
It all sugars off to PERFORMANCE, the penetration of space via sixgun marksmanship.
The TRIGGER
The Ronnie Wells approach----Ronnie focussed on filling the trigger hole in the grip frame and reshaping the trigger align its arc to the axis of squeeze, while giving the trigger finger a sweet spot. Result: a beautiful single action. Ronnie practices DRY FIRE as a meditation on the ergonomics of marksmanship, and how to make & refine instruments of marksmanship.
David Bradshaw
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Post by wheelnut on Nov 29, 2023 21:14:22 GMT -5
It's so graceful it makes the factory trigger look like a raw casting that still has another few machining operations to go. Fantastic work.
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Post by RDW on Nov 30, 2023 10:55:19 GMT -5
On October 22 (Page 8 of this thread) Fermin posted pictures of some Bisley-gripped Old Models with the new hammers and triggers. The triggers closely match the curve of the trigger guards and are set back. Hoping this is what the final product will, Ronnie. Super cool! Absolutely. I spend so much time drawing and reprogramming and experimenting with shape and form that you would think i was a perfectionists or something. LOL The Triggers you saw in fermins post were the finall experiments in complete form. Now i have produced piles of that very same shape. I tried every ruger bisley grip frame i have, several new frames from midway and a lot of customers grip frames to find the perfect balance in fit and dimention for mounting a new model grip frame to every old model i have. I have finalized on a trigger placement that allows ease of mounting or assembly, Asthetics ( following the shape of the inside of the trigger guard) and movement so that the back of the inside of the trigger guard becomes a trigger stop. Every Night several things happen at my home. I am one of the lucky few men out here in the world that after 34 years of marriage, im still very much in love with my wife Karmen Renee Wells!!!!!!!!!!!! She is just the most lovely little creature i know. And she puts up with my crap. Hahaha. You can count it like the minutes in an hour or the hours in a day that we will sit in the Tub for an hour every evening and just talk about our day after dinner. I make stuff and she helps run a community college. Next i sit on the sofa next to her and i Shoot ( dryfire ) every thing moving on the wide screen. Cars, signs, critters, ( lots of bears and elk on you tube), whatever. She says you missed alot. Gives me an opportunity to test the days creation or experiment. One thing i have notice thruout this year has been that the trigger pull on the new model trigger and grip frame to old model on the standard Black hawk trigger guard is that the trigger never felt fluid in movement like the bisley does. you have to pull straight back and that is never were your trigger finger is positioned on a plow handle grip frame. Your finger is pulling up at an angle instead of straight back like the trigger moves. This last week i got it right. This new trigger rolls right with your finger as it moves backwards. Its hard to explain but a little imagination and some trial and error go a long way. I dig the way it feels and im confident you will to. I just wanted some opinions on the way it looks because i didnt know if the majority of men were more purist and want it to look like the old model, or would yall prefer it to be pretty, and smooth and curvy and flowing not to mention more functional. So far i think we are on a roll to make this one as well. and give you a new choice for the standard blackhawks, ( Non Bisley Backstrap.) I know you guys are excited and so am i. Please hang in there. I just want these perfect. For those of you who antied up and helped me start this journey .Trust me you will get more than you paid for. a lot has happened in the last few years and we aint done by a long shot, we are just getting all this horse power put to the ground and ole girl is starting to pull hard. R ps:Today im changing all the Operation 7 programs to make the bisley spur serations a little more course. I think i have them to fine. The Super Blackhawk wide spur serations are far more superior and i want to transfer that to the Bisley Spur. Amongst all the stuff on you tube that has a virtual hole in it now because of dry firing i have found it to be a lot more non slip than the finer serations |
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Post by badkarma on Nov 30, 2023 10:59:41 GMT -5
This is what i was refering to . The trigger pull angle . It just feels smoother and more fluid in movement. I feel like i have more contact area and more control. ![]()  Other side Cocked and ready to Rock.  Lead heading down range.  The back of the trigger guard becomes a nice trigger stop.  To Me it just looks smoother and more flowing. How about it guys. Whata ya think? Should i focus on making the straight style fill in the gaps or should we kill 3 birds with one stone. I am certain i can make one for the Dragoon style that would be as flowing or a little more straightened out. Please Comment as much as possible. Im making the crap out of hammers right now and while the machines are cuttin im Dreaming and massaging Iron. Thanks Fellas R Seems like you’ve always erred on the side of getting it right Ronnie. I love that new improved version and I don’t think you should drop it so you can push something out the door quicker. The world is full of that and we don’t need more. Take care. Remington knew…  |
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Post by northerngos on Dec 2, 2023 23:50:42 GMT -5
That new trigger looks perfect, go for it! I know guys that have spent quite a bit of effort with a blowtorch and a hammer trying to get that trigger profile that mirrors, and stops against the trigger guard. Not only aesthetically pleasing but sounds like functionally and ergonomically superior.
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Post by RDW on Dec 3, 2023 16:58:57 GMT -5
Man Oh Man. Tic Toc, Tic Toc, One more time guys. Need to make a decision. Spur depth and threads per inch. Dry fired on some more bad guys on the you tube last couple of nights, Mostly dumba...s on stupid drivers videos. You know , shoot the tires out and fun stuff like that. Just getting some last minute touches solidified in my finall product here for you all. Noticed something about my cocking. The Gun. That could sound bad in the wrong setting huh? hahaha. Check it out, alot of time in a hurry i dont hit that hammer with my thumb. I beleive because of my hand size i use my thumb web more than touching the spur with just my thumb pad. EXAMPLE> Thumb Pad cocking.  I find my self 80 percent of the time cocking like this because the gun has just recoiled and i am coming back down with it. Using my thumb web.   I know that sounds maybe about silly but i have found that the finer spurs tend to slip a bit more when i cock it like this rather than just putting it directly on the spur. so my question to you is , am i alone here or is this a legitimate concern or not. Let me show you the two i have come up with. Fine spur on the left, course spur on the right.  Same  I have to smooth them out a bit before finish because straight off the machine they will cut you. But this is for the bisley spur only on all the old models i am asking about. HELP. Or should i just offer both as an option. Its not about the look now. Its about the function. R Wells: Acheiving perfection, one peice of scrap material at a time. Hahaha. It looks like a ruger hammer murder seen in here.They are laying every where. LOL |
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Post by kings6 on Dec 3, 2023 18:13:47 GMT -5
Ronnie, my thought is to not let analysis paralysis rule. If you feel one WORKS better than the other then go with that one!
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Post by bigbore5 on Dec 3, 2023 19:08:17 GMT -5
Course.
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Post by Odin on Dec 3, 2023 19:35:55 GMT -5
When I was a boy I was terrified of the thought of my thumb slipping off the hammer and the resulting accidental discharge. Over time, and because I've got fairly long fingers, I've taken to wrapping the thumb joint over the top of the hammer. It's also a reason why I like the Bisley hammer best, as that upward sweep gives the feel (illusion?) of a better purchase. All that to say I'd pick coarse over fine if it gives me better grip.
I can make the gun pretty in other places and in other ways. Function is paramount with the hammer and trigger. It is the clutch and gas pedal of the single action...
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Post by Bagby on Dec 3, 2023 19:38:43 GMT -5
Course would be my preference. Better to have a little extra grip and not need it. Than to need it and not have it.
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Post by bearskinner on Dec 3, 2023 20:55:18 GMT -5
What I really appreciate about your way of building parts, guns etc, is you know how they are supposed to balance and feel. You can incorporate extreme quality and accuracy into the perfect feel. That makes a fine firearm. I really like the wider spur and courser serrations idea, on the Bisley triggers.
Can’t wait to play with finished products.
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Post by RDW on Dec 4, 2023 10:29:44 GMT -5
Even Grabing it in the curvy sweep of the bisley hammer, Ive had it slip off a couple of times in all my dryfiring with the finer serations.
So far i have not had that happen with the courser serations. Before i finallized i just wanted to throw that out there and make sure i wasnt alone in this.
Thanks guys. Course it is and shall be.
R
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Post by pacecars on Dec 4, 2023 11:37:41 GMT -5
One of them their shiny Bisley hammers might look mighty purty on here  |
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Post by 2 Dogs on Dec 4, 2023 15:15:16 GMT -5
One of them their shiny Bisley hammers might look mighty purty on here I would call that a no brainer!! |
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