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Post by foxtrapper on Sept 28, 2020 11:18:32 GMT -5
Put me down for a straight stocked , full mag tube with dovetail barrel hanger( no barrel band please) 16” or 20” barrel in 41 mag and 475 linebaugh.
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Post by oddshooter on Sept 28, 2020 14:35:46 GMT -5
I would have assumed that Ruger engineers could design any kind of lever gun they wanted. What are they getting from Marlin that they couldn't do on their own? Old patents?
just curious about the business aspects.
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Post by bamagreg on Sept 28, 2020 14:44:02 GMT -5
I would have assumed that Ruger engineers could design any kind of lever gun they wanted. What are they getting from Marlin that they couldn't do on their own? Old patents? just curious about the business aspects. Prescut I'm sure the patents, designs and the Marlin name are what they are after.
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Post by lockhart on Sept 28, 2020 15:13:48 GMT -5
It was reported, back when Smith & Wesson was for sale, that Bill Ruger had always had his eye on buying the company if it ever came up for sale. Obviously, he didn't get the chance. I don't know about the folks running Ruger now, but it seems that Bill had respect for the old companies, and I think it would be great for a company like Ruger to buy them and start building Marlins like they used to be made. Marlin has a history of building fine lever actions, and I hope Ruger gets them. It would keep an old historic company from dying.
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Post by magnumwheelman on Sept 28, 2020 15:16:26 GMT -5
would love a companion rifle for my custom 480 Ruger
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Post by squawberryman on Sept 28, 2020 15:46:39 GMT -5
Imagine a lever gun built NEAR the tolerances of a FA.
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Post by lockhart on Sept 28, 2020 19:58:23 GMT -5
It was stated on another gun forum today, that Ruger did indeed end up with Marlin. Good news!
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Post by tj3006 on Sept 29, 2020 6:45:48 GMT -5
A lever gun with the tolerance' s of a Freedom arms would cost at least what a freedom arms revolver does, and would probably need to be kept very very clean. But a Marlin 94 in .454 has been on my wish list for awhile now ! ...tj
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 29, 2020 6:58:06 GMT -5
A lever gun with the tolerance' s of a Freedom arms would cost at least what a freedom arms revolver does, and would probably need to be kept very very clean. But a Marlin 94 in .454 has been on my wish list for awhile now ! ...tj I don't believe a traditional lever gun could hold the 454 Casull. They did make M92s in it for a while, but no longer listed. I assume there is a reason for this? I've pushed Lipsey's hard to offer a limited run of Ruger #1s in 454 Casull to pair off with all those who like rifle/pistol combos. No luck so far...
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Post by magnumwheelman on Sept 29, 2020 7:02:23 GMT -5
Funny that Taurus / Rossi can pull it off though... butt... not sure what the longevity of those rifles would be with a lot of use???
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Post by squigz on Sept 29, 2020 7:22:16 GMT -5
A lever gun with the tolerance' s of a Freedom arms would cost at least what a freedom arms revolver does, and would probably need to be kept very very clean. But a Marlin 94 in .454 has been on my wish list for awhile now ! ...tj I don't believe a traditional lever gun could hold the 454 Casull. They did make M92s in it for a while, but no longer listed. I assume there is a reason for this? I've pushed Lipsey's hard to offer a limited run of Ruger #1s in 454 Casull to pair off with all those who like rifle/pistol combos. No luck so far... Rossi has the 454's listed again for the 92's, I haven't seen or heard any more about them though other than being up on the website. rossiusa.com/firearms/lever-action-rifles/49-r92-454-casull-20-9-rounds-stainless-steel-brazilian-hardwood
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Post by bradshaw on Sept 29, 2020 8:53:24 GMT -5
I would have assumed that Ruger engineers could design any kind of lever gun they wanted. What are they getting from Marlin that they couldn't do on their own? Old patents? just curious about the business aspects. Prescut ***** Prescut.... as Bill Ruger, Jr., pointed out many years ago, a manufacturer builds according to the machinery at hand. Thus, the old time foundries Winchester, Colt, Smith & Wesson DROP FORGED components large and small, to be machined from elemental shapes. Bill Ruger’s foundry poured molten steel into ceramic molds made by the LOST WAX process, invented in China 4,000 years before Christ. While lost wax predates drop forging by millennia, it was developed around copper and did not hit modern stride until long after drop forging. Further, as pointed out by Ruger, Jr., the much touted linear grain structure of drop forging pertains primarily to the surface of the forging, which lends great strength when not removed, or greatly removed, As in a wrench, for instance. Bill, Sr., pointed to turbine fans as an example of INVESTMENT CAST (lost wax) integrity. Bill Ruger knew damn well his double action frames would be compared to the best of S&W and Colt and he looked forward to the challenge. I still marvel at the Redhawk (and its Super Redhawk brother) as the “don’t doubt it, don’t worry about it” powerhouse double action. I ended yesterday as dusk fell upon my sights shooting an S&W M-69 2-3/4” against my 4-inch 29, finally closing with Redhawk 5-1/2”. All .44 Mag, loaded with Nosler 240 JHP over 24/296 in Federal brass with Federal 155 mag primer. The 4” 29 put away the M-69 2-3/4”. Which may only be the shooter, but I doubt it. Each gun has red ramp front and black notch rear sights. My M-29 wore Pachmayr small Presentation grips. (Pachmayr made small and large size Presentations for the square-butt N-frame). The L-frame Model 69 wore factory supplied rubber combat style. The Redhawk wore Pachmayr Presentation, scaled large, as Pachmayr did also for the Colt Python. For double action and single action fire @ 50 yards in the gathering dark, the M-29 and Redhawk stroked equally smooth. The M-69 lagged quite to rear of M-29 and Redhawk performance. The M-69 double action couldn’t match the veterans, but it is a new gun, hasn’t been touched. Dusk pulled the curtain before we could try the M-69 @ 100 yards. The white pig @ 100 yards retained a sketch of fuzzy visibility as the red ramp front sights grew vague and the black notches visible only as a block. Having never visited Marlin’s Connecticut shop, it’s plain nevertheless the rifles were machined on old time machinery. Management has a great deal to do with how well machinery is used, and until robots completely replace CONCEPT, DESIGN, PREPARATION, and PRIDE, we have a right to criticize instruments which don’t perform. Even after robots take control expect criticism. Having bought Marlin from Remington, I, too, wonder Ruger's purpose. Years ago Bill Ruger told me the worst mistake he ever made was to not buy Smith & Wesson when he had the chance for 14 or 17 million. (It was one of those two numbers; I don’t remember which. Bill was specific.) I did not ask Ruger whether he would have kept S&W as forging-based, or contemplated a shift to lost wax. It is important to maintain quality when you have it and to tighten it when necessary. Were I to fall off my mountain bike and land in charge of Marlin, I’d hire Ronnie Wells to tool a two-prong approach to lever actions: 1) traditional, made for super-smooth feeding of straight-wall cartridges, along with rounds for which they were originally made, and 2) modern, made for hardcorps accuracy with straight-wall and bottleneck rounds, with excellent camming leverage----both into and out of battery. David Bradshaw
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Post by oddshooter on Sept 29, 2020 10:01:51 GMT -5
Beautiful summation of 2 companies coming together from David. As always.
I just sold our corporation 2 years ago to some big boys and the word synergy came up on day one. Synergy being how well the two companies fit. If a company has a weakness, buying a second company with a strength in that same area, can fix that pretty quick. Two companies having the same weaknesses and strengths are rarely a good fit. In our case, Prem Watsa had just acquired 8 companies in our industry in two years. I kept wondering what he really wanted from us; our technology, our profitability and our client list? During negotiations, he screwed up badly and said straight out he was buying our reputation. I knew he couldn't get that anywhere else but us, so I dug my heals in and asked for the moon. Figuring out what the buyer wants is critical !!!
So what does Ruger want?
I assumed that Marlin had the old school processes and machines that Ruger would not want. Further, the Marlin name recognition has suffered mightily in the last several years.
I don't understand why Ruger would want old school when they invented new school. Still, my experience in Mergers and Acquisitions (M&A) has shown a lot of what I thought were bad buys, turn out to be jewels when the strategy was finally revealed.
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Post by magnumwheelman on Sept 29, 2020 16:06:48 GMT -5
guessing matched cowboy sets would be expected... the lever action pairs well with a good portion on the single action revolvers Ruger has sold the last several decades
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Post by wheelguns on Sept 30, 2020 16:35:08 GMT -5
It’s official! The court cleared the way for this to go through.
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