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Post by 2 Dogs on Nov 25, 2017 12:05:36 GMT -5
That's pretty slick and I sure would like to see if I could work with a bit of it. If you guys look carefully at the pictures above, you will see some brass washers in the background. They have to be cut back considerably to "shim" the screw into the correct position. Given the fact that the tolerances between a production screw and thread will vary a bit and that brass washer will have a bit of crush doing the math to determine thickness will only get you so close. You still have to do considerable cut and try work and as the little brass shim gets down into the single digits it's easily mangled.
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Post by Doc Barranti on Nov 25, 2017 14:22:30 GMT -5
...and imagine working with that thin, tiny stuff with sausage link stubs for fingers!
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Post by Markbo on Nov 26, 2017 16:53:45 GMT -5
Hmmmm... I dont see why that wouldnt work if you could punch out just the right diameter after calulating the correct thickness.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Nov 26, 2017 17:46:05 GMT -5
It would but you have to allow for “slop” in the thread (there are actually several tolerance grades) and the fact that the thinner the washer or shim is the more crush it will display. Basically you still have some cut and try work to do.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Nov 27, 2017 0:44:20 GMT -5
Ok, here is a picture of a brass washer almost cut to size to time the largest of the 3 screws on a OM. As you can see, it is pretty thin (about .006") and thus quite frail and easily damaged if mishandled. I happened to be talking to Harton about this matter, and he said he had never messed with trying to time the frame screws so there went the genius solution. Not one to be lost on the trail we will just have to find our own way. It also occurs to me, the dome of the screw might be TIG welded and recut, but that remains to be seen. Ok, this barrel has to come off. I have about 15 sixguns in my shop in different stages of repair/remodel and I have gotten the barrel off every one of them. But not this one. My 4 ton Jack, and aluminum jaws with lead sheeting and rosin, and heat, and after soaking it in liquid wrench etc etc just ain't giving up. Not only do I intend to color case this receiver and do some welding but I can get a far better finish on the curves of the barrel end of the action if the barrel isn't in my way. So, I confess, this one is going up to Tyler. He has a EIGHT ton barrel vise. Note that in the picture I have the grip frame on the mainframe. That would be because I also took a couple of good whacks at it with a stout hammer (with a block of wood) and it still didn't budge. The grip frame helps keep the main frame from bending.
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Post by blacktailslayer on Nov 29, 2017 15:16:03 GMT -5
Looks like you dang near have it!
Don D.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Nov 30, 2017 1:24:08 GMT -5
Looks like you dang near have it! Don D. You would think so, but when I moved the frame, the barrel moved with the frame. It's in there pretty good.
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Post by potatojudge on Nov 30, 2017 1:31:59 GMT -5
Fermin, anxiously waiting to see how you get that barrel off. I'm in the same boat.
Time to break out the dry ice and see if it'll unscrew.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Nov 30, 2017 1:51:42 GMT -5
Fermin, anxiously waiting to see how you get that barrel off. I'm in the same boat. Time to break out the dry ice and see if it'll unscrew. Once in awhile you see one like this. It just gets to be get a bigger hammer time. I am very very lucky in that I have the council and support of some of the very best in the industry to help me solve these problems. That's why you see me running interference for them and or helping them chase some item down or in the case of the Clements hammers, helping try to get that list ready so when he is ready that is just one less hoop he has to jump through. I am working on getting some better tooling, I am going to have to let go of a couple of very fine customs to do it, but so be it.
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Post by Burnston on Dec 1, 2017 14:00:49 GMT -5
You are that council and support for a lot of us. Looking forward to seeing the finished product.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Dec 1, 2017 14:02:47 GMT -5
That would very much be a two way street my friend. Box going out to your locale today.
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Post by dhd on Dec 2, 2017 8:05:43 GMT -5
"I am working on getting some better tooling, I am going to have to let go of a couple of very fine customs to do it, but so be it."
I know you know this, but it's just another stage you're going through. I personally feel that it is a very good stage where you will have even more satisfaction in getting to watch/make stuff happen instead of wonder what is going on with a build. I can only imagine how much time it takes to remake the guns and then take photos and post results, but that would be a very fine addition to Gunmaking. Chad Dixon/LRI, at least, did it on some forums and when someone got to see their gun being built it was a thrill for all of us. Press on brother as these threads are great entertainment for those of us that can't do what you're doing.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Dec 13, 2017 23:05:48 GMT -5
"I am working on getting some better tooling, I am going to have to let go of a couple of very fine customs to do it, but so be it." I know you know this, but it's just another stage you're going through. I personally feel that it is a very good stage where you will have even more satisfaction in getting to watch/make stuff happen instead of wonder what is going on with a build. I can only imagine how much time it takes to remake the guns and then take photos and post results, but that would be a very fine addition to Gunmaking. Chad Dixon/LRI, at least, did it on some forums and when someone got to see their gun being built it was a thrill for all of us. Press on brother as these threads are great entertainment for those of us that can't do what you're doing. Thanks man, I appreciate the motivational speak. Lots of guys on here that I get to visit with daily help me keep on keeping on. I appreciate every single one of them. More than you will ever know.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Dec 13, 2017 23:11:12 GMT -5
Today, caught up with my outside work, I got to re-visit the Dawg a bit. I did run into something a little different, and I want to explain it so you guys who might come across such a malady might not think such things could not be remedied. First, here is photo of the Dawg's 41 cylinder, as you already know we had sent it out to be black powder chamfered, but I also decided to go ahead and have Harton add the long flutes as I find them to be an exceptional touch that is not encountered every day and tend to set the project apart. We also discovered that the cylinder throats were undersized. Pretty interesting that the Hidestretcher's old 41 shot as well as it did both with slight restriction in the barrel and undersize throats. It's right out of the wrapper and full of oil and you can clearly see the machine marks and the old finish.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Dec 13, 2017 23:13:45 GMT -5
Here it is final polished, pretty normal stuff except for a detail I will call your attention to in a minute. It's kinda hard to get a picture of something this shiny so please excuse my oafishness. From here it will be well oiled and wrapped in Glad or Saran wrap and then in bubble wrap and set aside as we move through this rescue project one piece at a time.
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