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Post by CraigC on May 7, 2017 10:27:30 GMT -5
Did "boolit" just get auto-corrected to "booklet"?
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Post by oddshooter on May 7, 2017 19:09:10 GMT -5
Semantics huh? There is no difference between the 45 colt and the 45 long colt. There is a big difference between a boolit and a bullet. This new name added value. I like that.
So now someone tell me about the 38 colt? Is it long or short?
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Post by Paden on May 7, 2017 20:34:54 GMT -5
Semantics huh? There is no difference between the 45 colt and the 45 long colt. There is a big difference between a boolit and a bullet. Well...'Semantics' has to do with the study of the meaning and logical implication of words. Semantics would tell us that there must in fact be a difference between a .45 Colt cartridge and a ".45 long Colt" cartridge; Semantics would tell us that by use of the word 'long' and the definition ascribed to that word, we should logically conclude that the 'long' cartridge is...longer than the other. To conclude that a "long cartridge" is no different than a cartridge which is not "long", is not "Semantics", it's illogical. And whereas "boolit" is not a real word, and Semantics doesn't really deal with pretend words, that's not Semantics either.
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Post by f3 on May 8, 2017 0:43:38 GMT -5
Semantics huh? There is no difference between the 45 colt and the 45 long colt. There is a big difference between a boolit and a bullet. Well...'Semantics' has to do with the study of the meaning and logical implication of words. Semantics would tell us that there must in fact be a difference between a .45 Colt cartridge and a ".45 long Colt" cartridge; Semantics would tell us that by use of the word 'long' and the definition ascribed to that word, we should logically conclude that the 'long' cartridge is...longer than the other. To conclude that a "long cartridge" is no different than a cartridge which is not "long", is not "Semantics", it's illogical. And whereas "boolit" is not a real word, and Semantics doesn't really deal with pretend words, that's not Semantics either. I am not sure why but when someone types boolit it bothers me. But 45 long colt does not bother me at all. I refer it to as 45 Colt. I f someone refered to it as the 45 super dog turd I wouldn't get my panties in a wad. On the other hand when someone says boof instead of booth or toof instead of tooth it drives me crazy. I suppose it's when someone intentionally miss pronounces or spells a word that it bothers me. The reason why it bothers me? I am not entirely sure.
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Post by oddshooter on May 8, 2017 10:55:22 GMT -5
I try to introduce a little humor to a really dull, overly-discussed topic.
I guess I have to just leave it for the obsessive/complusives (order MUST be maintained), and the schizophrenics (order doesn't exist) to go for the win.
Cosmic Humor.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 12:11:34 GMT -5
Semantics? The Jews got nothing to do with this! Note the correct positioning of the appropriate smiley. Boolits?
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Post by magnumwheelman on May 8, 2017 13:38:42 GMT -5
AFAIK... 38 Colt is both long & short??? er... well at least regular & long
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Post by Snyd on May 10, 2017 12:32:15 GMT -5
So does anyone have a theory as to why Hornady used "45 Long Colt" in that manual? It's a head scratcher to me. Here's another one.... 45 ACP or 45 Auto?? The same Hornady Manual lists 45 ACP which is actually the 45 Automatic Colt Pistol which shoots the 45 Auto. Not to be confused with the 45 Auto Rim ok, let the games begin
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Post by rkrcpa on May 10, 2017 14:43:46 GMT -5
So does anyone have a theory as to why Hornady used "45 Long Colt" in that manual? It's a head scratcher to me. Here's another one.... 45 ACP or 45 Auto?? The same Hornady Manual lists 45 ACP which is actually the 45 Automatic Colt Pistol which shoots the 45 Auto. Not to be confused with the 45 Auto Rim ok, let the games begin According to the Colt website the Government Model is available in caliber ".45 ACP"
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Post by Snyd on May 10, 2017 15:10:16 GMT -5
So does anyone have a theory as to why Hornady used "45 Long Colt" in that manual? It's a head scratcher to me. Here's another one.... 45 ACP or 45 Auto?? The same Hornady Manual lists 45 ACP which is actually the 45 Automatic Colt Pistol which shoots the 45 Auto. Not to be confused with the 45 Auto Rim ok, let the games begin According to the Colt website the Government Model is available in caliber ".45 ACP" And there you have it! Another caliber naming anomaly. I suppose Colt can get away with it since it's an Automatic Colt Pistol. But, wait! there's more!.... here's a 1911A1 barrel marked 45 Auto. hmmmm..... the mystery continues..... www.coltautos.com/1911a1ci_1121296.htm
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Post by RpR on May 12, 2017 13:28:47 GMT -5
As long as people especially on this board shoot booklets out of there 45's it makes it a weak argument to say you should use the correct name. I prefer to shoot self-made bullets out of my 45 long colt Well that is the same reasoning that liberal educators used to say that there was nothing wrong with the Ebonics bastard version of English that some locals once used.
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Post by CraigC on May 12, 2017 13:58:05 GMT -5
Semantics? The Jews got nothing to do with this! Reminds me of the Buford T. Justice line about the Germans.
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Post by ddixie884 on May 12, 2017 14:07:03 GMT -5
The double toggle 1905 or 6 or 7 was chambered for a slightly longer case that, I think was .45apc. This was also called .45 auto. See below.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 19:37:24 GMT -5
I could have swored that I posted on Colts cartridge names, but I can't find it. So...
Colt has always had some really odd practices for naming their proprietary cartridges. We all know they never added the word "long" to anything. The largest & most popular calibers of a series were simply called "Colt". They also liked to make slight changes to existing cartridges and change the designation to "Colt" as well. The 38 S&W caliber received a flat point bullet design, and became the "38 Colt New Police" for example. A few earlier rimfire calibers got "Colt-ized" as well. The 38 short rimfire was converted to central fire, and became the "38 Short Colt". The 38 Long rimfire received the same treatment and became the "38 Colt". No other changes were made, they still used the original rimfire type heeled bullet design and everything.
The same thing happened to the 32 short rimfire, and the 32 long rimfire. Colt also blessed the world with two more anemic calibers, "32 Short Colt", and "32 Colt". I recently was gifted with a 1907 Colt "Pocket Positive" in 32 Colt and spent the better part of a week researching the caliber. Some Marlin rifles were also chambered in 32 rimfire, plus included the central fire conversion pieces so its purchasers could shoot whichever type ammo they fancied.
I've seen evidence in the past of the 45 ACP getting the same treatment. The caliber was conceived years before Colt bought the rights for the guns and ammunition from John Browning. Brownings name for the caliber was "45 automatic cartridge pistol". Colt bought the project and gave us the 45 "Automatic Colt Pistol". This information came from an old-timer I knew ages ago who claimed to have been part of the militarys selection process. I wish he were still around now, I can think of all sorts of questions to ask him. I was a teenager with a 22 in those days, and was fearful of the wild stories about how hard the 1911 kicked.
No matter how you look at it, Colt has always had one hell of an marketing department.
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