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Post by curmudgeon on Jul 3, 2014 0:23:44 GMT -5
Not making excuses but, battling the effects of Cancer and the cures, which are worse, at least in my personal experience. This has probably caused me to loose my patience a little more than usual. But if I owe anyone an apology, I am sorry. Let the Site Prevail. Thank you Lee and I apologize to you personally for my rants on YOUR site.
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Paden
.375 Atomic
Lower Goldstream Creek
Posts: 1,132
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Post by Paden on Jul 3, 2014 0:35:40 GMT -5
Me thinks you, Sir, are owing no one an apology.
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Post by CraigC on Jul 11, 2014 17:16:17 GMT -5
Youngdave, who is actually a 55yr old law enforcement veteran, has decided not to rejoin the forum. Apparently, some folks have a lack of patience for the kind of crap that got passed around in this thread and not just Jurras.
Calling someone "butthurt" because they're abraded by a notoriously abrasive member might not be the best way to respond either.
Paden, you are more than welcome to send a PM to address whatever personal issues you may have.
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Post by zeus on Jul 11, 2014 17:45:48 GMT -5
Nothing like a pot calling the kettles black is it Craig...a lot of us "affectionately" refer to you as a fecal aggitator. You seem to actually search out a reason to pick fights in conversations that you have not part in prior to your fecal agitation. I don't post much and if this is your way of doing the following in your words.. I'm more interested in the integrity and longevity of this forum in particular and our sport in general than placating ornery old men. I will probably post less or none at all if your method of picking fights etc is how you define "integrity and longevity". I have made good friends from Lees board but they all have my number and can call whenever they like, prefer that anyway to faceless Computer screens. I have watched you pick fights repeatedly with members that have forgotten more than most of us know. I just don't see what you get out of it. Sometimes it's just a snide comment like the one you posted on the knife thread. A member post a picture of a knife he's proud of and you decide to give wonderful advice rather than just move on and say nothing. ...chances are good that this blade never be used in the field..... It's just as well. I've never heard it described as a particularly useful design. The individual that posted that knife pic happens to be one of the biggest Skeeter and Elmer fans I've ever met. His collections of their works is astounding and he has passed a majority of it on to a fellow member here that is a huge fan of the history as well. His knowledge of sixguns and the history is incredible and I've enjoyed hours of conversation with him over the years and learned a lot along the way. He has sent me pictures of classic items I've only heard of and never seen. So since you like to give biographies of those "wronged", there's one for you as well. It tweaked me to see you post such a tacky/tasteless comment but I said nothing. No one came along and pointed it out that you were a jerk, we let it go until I now mention it. So I don't think you should climb up on that pedestal just yet... I scratch my head and wonder why someone (you) that tries to pedal his wares (your "holster" website on your signature line is obviously there for that reason) to fellow members would go around saying things like that. I never see this type of attitude from other members here that make really nice leather and are well known and respected makers. Nope, they are cordial at ALL times and some of the finest men I've ever met and I'm proud that they allow me to call them friends. No one makes snide comments on your pictures of your holsters you may be proud of. It easy to critique others stuff but it's not typically done, if you don't like something, you move on..simple. So since I've wasted far more time than I should have to even acknowledge this ridiculous crap, I'm going to close by saying take a long look in the mirror before the next time you point fingers at everyone else from up on your ivory tower. GS
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Paden
.375 Atomic
Lower Goldstream Creek
Posts: 1,132
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Post by Paden on Jul 11, 2014 18:31:07 GMT -5
Youngdave, who is actually a 55yr old law enforcement veteran, has decided not to rejoin the forum. Apparently, some folks have a lack of patience for the kind of crap that got passed around in this thread and not just Jurras. Calling someone "butthurt" because they're abraded by a notoriously abrasive member might not be the best way to respond either. Paden, you are more than welcome to send a PM to address whatever personal issues you may have. I can assure you, I have no "personal issues" with anyone on this forum... But since you seem to deem it appropriate to dish it out publicly, it would seem fair game for others to similarly make public observation, would it not? To wit, I find a certain irony in your labeling anyone else as "notoriously abrasive".
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Post by 2 Dogs on Jul 12, 2014 9:52:53 GMT -5
Do you? Been throwing rocks again??? Ya dang right! Thats what rocks are for!
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Post by CraigC on Jul 12, 2014 10:49:07 GMT -5
Firstly, I'm not a pot stirrer. It is and was never my intent. If that is your impression, then you have it all wrong. Trolls stir the pot, I'm just too hard headed to steer clear of a confrontation and don't know when to quit. Secondly, I'm not "pedaling" anything. I do it for fun and for no other reason. It will never make me as much money as my regular business and I have no intention of taking the fun out of it. So I have no need or desire to alter my posts to be more "diplomatic" for the sake of future business. It's a wise practice for the full time makers but not necessary for me. I guess I'm the one that's "butthurt". 13yrs ago on Jim Taylor's old Sixgunner.com message board, after the 25 Reeder "Sixgunner.com" guns were commissioned, Scott Kolar worked up a similar deal with David Clements. Jason Cloessner of Lipsey's provided Bisley Vaqueros at wholesale and David provided some basic tuning and throat reaming along with a dovetail front sight. I worked out a deal with Lett's for a group order of grips at 20% below retail. We needed a minimum order so a little "selling" was required to meet this. Lee took it upon himself to wring me out for "selling my wares" on Jim's site and threw in some ranting about "stocks" versus "grips" for good measure. It was a lot of work collecting the money, recording the orders for grips from over 40 members and getting it all submitted to Lett's. Lee's relentless onslaught continued for a good bit of time. Once my cornflakes were thoroughly pissed in, it was explained to the "ole stud" that I was not making any money on the deal, that I only did it for the benefit of the group. No response. No apology, not even a half-assed one. So one might understand why I don't worship at the altar of Lee Jurras. I'm not intimidated or even impressed. Which is why I'm not afraid to speak up when he responds to an honest question like he did in this thread. If you want to worship Lee and rush to defend his rude behavior with more rude behavior, go right ahead. Just don't be surprised when you get called on it. If James from Jersey has an issue with what I said in the knife thread, he is more than able to defend himself. He doesn't need fan boys sticking up for him. Paden, if you have no personal issues, then who was your snide comment directed at? .....those who speak from experience verses those who are feeling big in their britches and speak because they fancy their own voice. Lee is not one of the current young "experts" we have out there that quotes others work etc, he IS ONE OF THE ONES they are quoting usually and try to pass off as their own. Just FYI I have little respect for people who will make snide comments and then retreat when confronted directly.
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Post by zeus on Jul 12, 2014 11:15:14 GMT -5
You're seriously being a jerk from something that happened almost 15 years ago? Dude you need to get over it and move on. Please note that this is a statement not a question, the question marks are just there for fun as I will not read nor respond in the future. Just food for thought. Fan boy??? That term sounds familiar, I figure I know where that came from. Hahahaha. There's a lot of difference in being a friend and a fan boy. I'm done speaking to you at this point. Some people will obviously never get over things it appears. So I don't want anymore said from me that will be brought up against someone or myself 20 years from now. Holy smokes! Lee, do we have an ignore button on this site, if not, can it be activated? Thanks!
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Post by CraigC on Jul 12, 2014 11:43:09 GMT -5
Pay attention Glenn, I'm responding to what was posted in THIS thread. I'm not holding a grudge, I just don't hold him in such high reverence that I feel the need to accept or defend his rude behavior.
Jerk? Lee was rude and when youngdave took exception you called him butthurt. If anyone was a jerk in this thread, it's you.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Jul 12, 2014 11:59:34 GMT -5
And by the way, it's PEDDLING ya bunch of glass breakers!!!
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Post by CraigC on Jul 12, 2014 12:03:20 GMT -5
Fermin, I do appreciate your attempts to steer this ship to calmer waters.
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Post by zeus on Jul 12, 2014 12:04:03 GMT -5
And by the way, it's PEDDLING ya bunch of glass breakers!!! Hahahahaha
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Post by 2 Dogs on Jul 12, 2014 12:13:17 GMT -5
Well to be honest, as an old guy myself, who has spent a looong time teaching, my feeling is that if someone can't receive my message for the manner I send it, they can go figure it out on their own! It ain't like I'm everybody's favorite anyhow.
Lee apologized. That's more than I might have done. I would hope we are all better men that we were 15 years ago.
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Post by AxeHandle on Jul 12, 2014 12:25:13 GMT -5
Does fatter with less hair count? We all have thinner skin some days than others. Then we can be a little more or less diplomatic some days. Then the stars get cattywhompus and all the bad stuff lines up. Nothing to say for those days. Just know that they happen...
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Post by AxeHandle on Jul 12, 2014 12:27:50 GMT -5
Now for a crimping question: Do I imagine things or is it true that the harder the crimp the more case trimming all the brass to exactly the same length matters?
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