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Post by youngdave on Jun 27, 2014 14:47:17 GMT -5
Before you ask, I removed the decapper assembly from the ACP die. I always decap all my cases first, tumble clean, then resize.
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Post by dmize on Jun 27, 2014 15:39:18 GMT -5
I have never heard of using an ACP sizer. But the neck tension you are talking about (seeing the bullet in the case) is usually controlled by the size of the case expander plug. You appear to have loaded plenty,but in my experience for the most part 45 Colt chambers tend to be a bit on the large size and it seems like that would be working the brass more than necessary
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Post by youngdave on Jun 27, 2014 19:20:03 GMT -5
I'm new to the forum, thanks for the discussion! I've been reading this forum for over a year. Thanks to Whitworth and his book, my newest revolver is a Magnum Research in 500 JRH with a 7" barrel.
I had noticed the bullets were seating very easily into the cases via the pressure used on my press: a subjective measure to be sure. On all the other revolver calibers I handload, I notice more pressure on the press handle and I can see the outline of the bullet in the case in many instances. I was loading .357 Mag when it struck me about my Colt cases. I remember seeing that when I started loading the Colt back in '93.
My cases have been loaded a lot, many in excess of 20 times. The primer pockets are still in good shape as I don't stress them (or me) with hot loads. (Although, a 315 grain cast bullet at 1000 fps won't beat you up, it ain't no slouch.) I thought I'd try sizing with the ACP sizer as a quick "fix", and I was happy with the results.
Maybe my old Lee carbide sizer is worn enough (does the carbide sizing ring wear out?) that it's not sizing the cases down as it should. I haven't reloaded any of that brass sized with the ACP sizer to see if there are any ill effects on the brass. I don't foresee any problems with the brass being worked too much: growing again after the initial sizing with the ACP sizer. It's too hot to go shooting in SE Arizona this time of year, but if I run into any unusual problems, I'll post back in a new thread.
I have been using a Lyman M die for years, expanding (belling) just enough to allow the bullet to start into the case. I've shot all my Colts in a Ruger Bisley circa 1993. So, a lot of experience but in only one revolver.
I've got my eye on a Ruger Bisley distributor special from Williams with a 5.5" barrel. I have to get that past my lovely accountant before checking into it.
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Post by curmudgeon on Jun 27, 2014 21:54:14 GMT -5
ALL the above is good data, but only a couple have mentioned case harness gradient, which changes with each operation. For heavy loads you should use only 2-3 times loaded brass. For serious hunting or self defense new brass' If being a cheap skate is your game, get another sport. If elasticity or hardness gradient is gone from 1/8" of the case mouth, you are whistling Dixie for any crimp, and or neck tension. Read advanced loading techniques and then experiment. There are no short cuts to good ammo.
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Post by youngdave on Jun 27, 2014 22:21:38 GMT -5
Curmudgeon:
I use factory ammo for self defense.
I thought this forum was about exchanging ideas and learning, not being called names and being criticized for thinking outside the box. I don't have to explain myself to you.
Per Lee Martin: "This board has always been a friendly place. We're fortunate to have a wide knowledge base and plenty of guys that are new to the hobby. Opinions are fine and those opinions don't have to be universal rule. Counter-discussion is good and is welcome. But do so with respect for one another. As much as I like the internet, I do think it brings out the worst in some. This sport used to be chalked full of gentlemen (ex-military, competitive shooters, sportsman, etc). More and more we're seeing folks that live to 'internet troll' and provoke pissing matches. That won't happen here....I'll be damned if this forum goes the route of others I won't mention."
I guess I joined the wrong forum after all.
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Post by curmudgeon on Jun 27, 2014 22:52:47 GMT -5
Young Dave, sorry if I touched a nerve, I don't remember any name calling, if the shoe fits wear it. Sorry if I interjected a little extertise. I'm 80 yra old and don't have to explain to anyone. Don't leave, I'm not posting very often. And don't carry such a chip on your shoulder. There are those that could care less what you think. I've been around most of these posts since the internet carried them . And as I say, don't suffer fools lightly. Have fun.
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Post by benny123 on Jun 27, 2014 23:03:58 GMT -5
As a reader, I don't't think its so much a critique of you as a discussion of good practice. Just a little internet research will reveal that "curmudgeon" is an appropriate pseudonym for a former pioneer in the industry.
Per Merram-Webster
CURMUDGEON:
A crusty, ill tempered and usually old man
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Post by Paden on Jun 27, 2014 23:11:55 GMT -5
I've been reading this forum for over a year. Me too. This and others... Long enough to realize that people are sometimes difficult to 'read' lacking the benefit of being able to put an eyeball on 'em. Some folk are simply frank and to the point in their manner of presentation. Nothing wrong with that, I reckon, and I've found it don't pay to be too quick to get my hackles up at some feller I ain't real acquainted with. Least of all a feller like Mr. Jurras. When a feller like him is willing to lend a bit of wisdom, I'm inclined to listen.
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Post by zeus on Jun 29, 2014 7:31:06 GMT -5
Youngdave, I didn't see any name calling first of all. Second, you're new so I'm going to have to excuse the fact that you got all butthurt when Lee Jurras gave some advice. I suggest you look his name up in the grand old google machine and then maybe you'll realize you were given advice by a VERY knowledgable expert in these subjects. Lee is the father of the modern self defense ammunition if you want to think of it in that way. He has truly been there and done that. He is as fine a gentleman as you will ever meet so I don't suggest quoting rules of the board. I guess what I'm saying is relax bud. Lee is not one of the current young "experts" we have out there that quotes others work etc, he IS ONE OF THE ONES they are quoting usually and try to pass off as their own. Just FYI
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Post by bushog on Jun 29, 2014 7:57:19 GMT -5
ALL the above is good data, but only a couple have mentioned case harness gradient, which changes with each operation. For heavy loads you should use only 2-3 times loaded brass. For serious hunting or self defense new brass' If being a cheap skate is your game, get another sport. If elasticity or hardness gradient is gone from 1/8" of the case mouth, you are whistling Dixie for any crimp, and or neck tension. Read advanced loading techniques and then experiment. There are no short cuts to good ammo. Yep...and if you insist on using old brass you can anneal it but that really sends us down a rabbit hole!
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Post by dmize on Jun 29, 2014 20:01:53 GMT -5
Lee Jurras has given me answers I didn't care for at the time. But in all honesty,at the rate I am going,IF I make it to 80 I will probably make him look like a choir member.
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Post by seancass on Jun 29, 2014 20:56:30 GMT -5
I guess I joined the wrong forum after all. That's the first thing i've seen you write that's truly wrong! This is the internet. Sometimes people are concise and it can be taken as rude. Sometimes people are rude and it comes off as an insult on your mother. You have to take the good with the bad! Relax. read, learn, share, and HAVE FUN! As the resident Ignorant Newbie I try to shut up and listen as much as I can. I've made a lot of mistakes and this forum has taught me a lot about sixguns. This forum is literally the greatest collection of handgunning knowledge in the history of the world. And no, that's not an over-statement. Some of these "old" guys have been answering the same questions for 60 years and in that time they've worked out pretty concise opinions! There are several members here who could write us a sermon every day for the rest of their lives and still not teach us half of what they know. And ain't that a shame. lost knowledge.
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Post by sixshot on Jun 29, 2014 21:50:29 GMT -5
Sharing reloading information on these forums can get people excited sometimes for no reason, I can guarantee Lee Juras didn't do any name calling, just trying to help others get headed in the right direction, you couldn't ask for a better teacher of all things handguns than Lee Juras. For sure one of the all time great handgun men & willing to share his knowledge.
Dick
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Post by maxcactus on Jun 30, 2014 1:28:30 GMT -5
I'm reluctant to wade in here and hijack this post even further, but to YoungDave and any other new forum members and those who may be lurking but not yet have joined our fine forum, I will speak for myself only, of my own experiences on this forum. There are certain members of this form that can, at times, come across as quite direct, sometimes even know-a-lots. After much reading and some question asking, I've found the reason for my perception is that they usually... know a LOT, a HE** of a lot! Several members have decades more experience than many members of this forum, and some of those same members were professionals and/or pioneers in their particular sixgun-related fields. These men have "been there and done that" or as Col. Cooper would say, they have "seen the elephant." Their opinions and writings are based of a tremendous wealth of often self-acquired knowledge and first hand experience, whether it be ammunition loading, gunsmithing, self-defense, hunting or whatnot. Sometimes I think I know "quite a bit" about our hobby. Then I tune in here and read the writings of fellas like Curmudgeon, Bradshaw, Taffin, or Lee Martin himself, and I realize while many of us are no longer "tenderfoots", we're FAR from the encyclopedias of knowledge that some of our most experienced members are. And these men speak from experience and readily share with the rest of us. They certainly don't need me to defend them either. Their records & accomplishments speak for themselves. We're a forum of (normally) well behaved gentlemen. We're passionate about our hobby and we enjoy the free exchange of ideas and experience. We're all trying to become better sixgunners. All that said, pull up a chair, pour yourself some of your favorite beverage and enjoy the show.
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Post by paulg on Jun 30, 2014 4:46:43 GMT -5
And some of the guys here think they know enough to write books and such!
IT'S A JOKE!
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