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Post by zac0419 on Apr 22, 2016 21:21:58 GMT -5
Sadly, since I bought it through a website I didn't realize it was one of the dreaded Uberti parts guns that USFA assembled in the old Colt building before they started making guns from all American parts. Because this barrel length, caliber and configuration (black powder frame) was exactly what I wanted I jumped on it before doing enough research. A classic example of buyer beware. I paid too much…but at least it's nice to look at. (smile) Dave That's a great piece. Forget the "dread", IMO the Uberti part guns were every bit as nice as the "full American" guns that came shortly after. |
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Post by outlawben on Apr 22, 2016 23:14:27 GMT -5
Not new to this forum but I dropped off for a number of years and just re-joined. I've returned to my roots in that I started my journey as a hand gunner shooting single action revolvers and I'm getting back into them after about 10 years away from owning one. The sticker shock of looking at Colt prices sent me looking for USFA guns and this is the first one I bought. A pre-War, black powder frame, 45 Colt with one piece wood stocks.   Sadly, since I bought it through a website I didn't realize it was one of the dreaded Uberti parts guns that USFA assembled in the old Colt building before they started making guns from all American parts. Because this barrel length, caliber and configuration (black powder frame) was exactly what I wanted I jumped on it before doing enough research. A classic example of buyer beware. I paid too much…but at least it's nice to look at. (smile) Dave Dave, you may not have done entirely as bad as you think. Your serial being in the 20XXX range does put it in that parts transition period as you've found out of course. There are us collectors on various sites that can Determine parts origin by sight and shape of the parts.. I.e. Flute shape on the cylinder, firing pin style, the loading gate hinge, etc .. However, the shape of your front sight indicates that part of your gun - the barrel - is a USA made barrel, IMO. The Uberti barrels were marked underneath on the USPFA guns as most know- and those guns are all Uberti parts of course. The Uberti barrels were not marked with the USFA roll marked guns. Have to look at the shape of the front sight. The Uberti parts barrels have the rear edge of the front site canting forward towards the muzzle. Uberti sight also tapers - thins- usa sight is the same thickness top to bottom generally. The rear edge of your front sight appears straight up and down, 90 degrees to the barrel. I can't tell for sure with the thickness. Looks like that part is USA to me. these 20XXX, 21XXX, and even 22XXX had a few mixed parts. I want to say a few Uberti parts have been mixed in even higher. Really have to just look at the individual gun and indivdual parts. That's a very desirable caliber. Prewar style configuration with the BP frame and bullseye ejector, good overall fit, and outstanding condition. If you have the original box, that gun is not a giveaway- (unless you want to gift it to me ) .. USFA was honing the skills to a high level by that time, and I'm betting the action feels bank vault tight or at least not too shabby. I have the same gun in USFA and USPFA. I'm a staunch collector. Being part of the USFA history and legacy, I admire the gun. It's the result of an American company putting out the best Product they could at the time. Improving in what was available then. That case coloring looks way better than Uberti for sure. |
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Post by Frank V on Apr 23, 2016 11:02:50 GMT -5
Wow some more nice USFAs have shown up. I'll bet I'm not the only one who wishes they were still in business?  Sad to see such a fine SA gone. |
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Post by shaner on Apr 23, 2016 11:06:44 GMT -5
Wow some more nice USFAs have shown up. I'll bet I'm not the only one who wishes they were still in business? Sad to see such a fine SA gone. iam right there with you Frank |
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Post by Rimfire69 on Apr 24, 2016 9:34:26 GMT -5
Real nice Outlawben. Just cant stop admiring this one, bet I've looked at it a 1/2 dozen times since you posted the pics.
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Post by Alaskan454 on Apr 24, 2016 11:40:20 GMT -5
Wow some more nice USFAs have shown up. I'll bet I'm not the only one who wishes they were still in business? Sad to see such a fine SA gone. I was saving up to buy one just as they went into the zip gun business. Lesson learned, it's much harder to find the oddball ones on the used market. |
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Post by davet on Apr 24, 2016 23:07:54 GMT -5
Outlawben,
Thanks for the encouraging words. I think you're correct about the barrel being USFA made as well as the frame. The research I've done so far indicates the cylinder, back strap, trigger guard, hammer and ejector rod housing are Italian (Uberti) in origin. Back in the mid 1980s I owned two Uberties and neither one was fitted or finished as nice as this gun. Other than it not being what I thought it was, the biggest disappointment has been the fit in the hand. It just doesn't feel quite right after shooting 1st Generation Colts for 10 years. The difference is subtle but its there none the less.
Dave
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Post by Rimfire69 on Apr 25, 2016 9:17:53 GMT -5
Sorry, I see my mistake, original pics are from davet
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Post by Frank V on Apr 26, 2016 12:29:34 GMT -5
Outlawben, Thanks for the encouraging words. I think you're correct about the barrel being USFA made as well as the frame. The research I've done so far indicates the cylinder, back strap, trigger guard, hammer and ejector rod housing are Italian (Uberti) in origin. Back in the mid 1980s I owned two Uberties and neither one was fitted or finished as nice as this gun. Other than it not being what I thought it was, the biggest disappointment has been the fit in the hand. It just doesn't feel quite right after shooting 1st Generation Colts for 10 years. The difference is subtle but its there none the less. Dave It's still a desirable gun. A "first gen." USFA! I'd like it. |
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Post by outlawben on Apr 26, 2016 20:30:53 GMT -5
I have one for you take a gander at, Frank V, and other USFA admirers. Here's a USFA Buntline with the USFA leather sheath, removable shoulder stock, and display box/wood case.   |
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Post by kings6 on Apr 26, 2016 21:05:36 GMT -5
Is that the one that has been for sale on GB lately? In fact, it seems like there were two for sale at the same time recently.
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Post by robrcg on Apr 27, 2016 7:11:18 GMT -5
Very neat looking Buntline.
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Post by cherokeetracker on Apr 27, 2016 7:28:57 GMT -5
The Buntline is cool and unusual. I think of Angel Eyes everytime I see one.
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Post by outlawben on Apr 27, 2016 14:04:20 GMT -5
Is that the one that has been for sale on GB lately? In fact, it seems like there were two for sale at the same time recently. This one was not one of the gunbroker listings of recent weeks. I believe one is listing on Gunbroker and gunsamerica and/or guns international still. I think it's an early production Buntline. I think it even states 1997 the listings. I could be wrong about that. Another blued Buntline recently sold that was an " armory blued" (AB) finished Buntline. I think it came with the traditional USFA black boxes for gun and stock attachment. Sold $3450 There was a third Buntline - very nice and unusual.. Nickel. Sold About $4K. I know where that one found a home. It's owner is a very outstanding gentleman has secured a totally amazing USFA collection. A word to the wise in buying these USFA Buntlines.. I paid close attention to the barrel rollmark. In conversations with former management a long time ago, some Buntline frames only , made their way west some years ago. A couple of years ago, I believe some of the Buntline gun listings were these frames assembled outside of the factory. So they come with no boxes of course. I would not imagine that USFA produced a Buntline with a Colt rollmarked barrel on it. Now Turnbulls made a Buntline for Colt - I just read the old internet article, but I don't know how those barrels were rollmarked. so I was pleased to find one with a US Firearms marked leather sleeve and other extras that would only come with a factory Buntline. I am not trying to throw judgment on any past or future listings, just stating my own opinion on what steers my decision.. Right or wrong- worth two cents before taxes. |
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Post by Frank V on Apr 27, 2016 21:31:45 GMT -5
Outlawben beautiful. Those USFAs are fantastic guns. They are bringing a lot of money now.
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