mooshoo
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Post by mooshoo on Jun 26, 2013 8:11:29 GMT -5
I think a 357 mag loaded with the 200gr cast bullet at 950 fps makes the gun feel just about right! kind of gives it that big bore feel, would love to try it in that little ruger bolt action rifle, better just go load some up I think you'll like it! Who makes a good 200 grain cast bullet? I've been looking for a mold to cast 200 grainers for awhile for my 357 max. but haven't had any luck. I cast my own and I use the rcbs 200gr flat nose with gas check that bullet is awsome and with the flat point would set up to do some damage!
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Post by magnumwheelman on Jun 26, 2013 8:58:52 GMT -5
Is that 200 grain RCBS mold discontinued I just spent a little time looking on Midway, & couldn't find a listing for the Mold... I'm just starting to get into casting my own... ( got a good local mentor, that I need to take advantage of, before he's gone, & we inherited all of my FIL's stuff ) been accumulating dies over the years... I also load for & shoot a Dan Wesson 357 Max, & like heavy bullets in that gun ( & most others ) so when you guys mentioned the RCBS 200 I thought that seemed like something I needed... any thoughts on where to get a mold ?
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groo
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Post by groo on Jun 26, 2013 13:46:31 GMT -5
Groo here I think NEI still has the SSK 357 mold , mine is 205gr and gaschecked. Also Penn bullets has 180-200-and 230gr bullets.
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Post by Frank V on Jun 26, 2013 15:53:24 GMT -5
A quick check on yahoo revealed that RCBS offers a .35 cal mould of 200grs, it's a GC bullet designed for .35 cal rifles & has a long nose, maybe too long for a six-gun. RCBSs number 82028 35-200-fn 565
Lyman also offers a 195gr RN bullet listed for the .357, it's 358430. Double cavity 2660430
Maybe one of these would be useful to someone looking for a heavy bullet?
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mooshoo
.30 Stingray
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Post by mooshoo on Jun 27, 2013 9:39:51 GMT -5
A quick check on yahoo revealed that RCBS offers a .35 cal mould of 200grs, it's a GC bullet designed for .35 cal rifles & has a long nose, maybe too long for a six-gun. RCBSs number 82028 35-200-fn 565 Lyman also offers a 195gr RN bullet listed for the .357, it's 358430. Double cavity 2660430 Maybe one of these would be useful to someone looking for a heavy bullet? I use the one for the rifle you have to set the bullet alittle deep and it works great in my 3 screw blackhawk the rcbs 200 gr flatpoint they are at midway but I believe there out of stock
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Post by warhawk on Jun 30, 2013 21:50:35 GMT -5
Beartooth sells a cast 200 grain .357 bullet www.beartoothbullets.com/bulletselect/I have S&W Mountain Guns in 357 (7 shot 686) and 44 Magnum. There is not a lot of difference in weight between the 357 and 44, but I am a big fan of the 44 and it would always be my first choice. Carried in a chest rig, a 629 Mountain Gun would be hard to beat for your purposes.
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Post by texashoosier on Jul 1, 2013 3:43:14 GMT -5
A heavy bullet in the .357? Why not a Lyman #358627 215gr SWC? Check out www.lasc.us/FryxellLyman358627.htmData there runs from 700-1100 fps in a 6" Taurus M66. You can use it in .38 Special brass seated to its lower crimp groove as well. Beartooth's 180gr WLN+P can be also used in .38 Special brass with Magnum powder charges....kinda like a modernized .38-44HV. It'll actually have slightly more powder capacity than a .357 Magnum case loaded with a 180gr Sierra FPJ bullet. .38 Special 1.155" minus Beartooth seating depth .290" equals .865". .357 Magnum 1.28" minus Sierra seating depth .450" equals .830". You might also be able to use the Lyman data with Beartooth's 210gr LFN+P in .38 Special brass.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2013 19:11:18 GMT -5
358627 was discontinued long, long ago... I simply standardized on LBT 185 LFN for .357 mag, and never looked back.
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Post by texashoosier on Jul 1, 2013 23:45:16 GMT -5
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Post by bradshaw on Jul 2, 2013 11:58:12 GMT -5
Heavyweight bullet selection, especially 200 grain, thins in the .357 mag. A long bullet takes too much powder space before decent velocity-for-pressure is reached. A 200 grain 357/358 is long. The 1:16" twist of the Blackhawk .357 stabilizes blunt 200 grain, rides the wire edge as bullet length & ballistic coefficient rise. The .357 Maximum handles 200 grain hunting bullets with aplomb. A cast 180 WLN or WFN might be a better choice for powder space and velocity. I would not increase weight-for-weight's-sake without experiment.
This is an excellent place for those experienced with .357 180 to 200 grain bullets on game to throw in. I tried heavy bullets in the Colt Python, which 1:14" twist had no challenge stabilizing. Getting enough 296/H110 into the case the reach meaningful velocity (over 1100 fps) was another matter. David Bradshaw
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groo
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Post by groo on Jul 3, 2013 9:45:04 GMT -5
Groo here
MR. Bradshaw +1 By SSK will not fit in short cylinder barrels {at the time my Python} But just did in dad's M-28, my load was a 100% loading of WW680.
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jsh
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Post by jsh on Jul 3, 2013 19:15:08 GMT -5
Not in a pistol but a 18" marlin in 357. It is Ballard rifled. I did load work with a 180 cast custom mold in a 10" tc 357. I will have to look at powder as I don't recall what I ended up using. I was after speed and accuracy 1" at 100 was my goal. I am close to the 1" speed was way better than I expected. Load was derived from the LASC site. Article on heavy 357 loads in the FA. Know that I think of it powder was lil gun. I know there was some issues with it as far as heat cracking the throat. But I just use a few of these a year for deer. It will shoot through adult kansas white tails at 100-150 yards. I have tried to several angles in order to recover a bullet with no luck. I shot a large bodied buck at 130 yards a few years ago went through both front shoulders punched clear through. Internal damage was like a jacketed bullet on all the soft tissue. As Elmer says you can eat right up to the hole. Alloy was water dropped WW sweetened with some tin. Jeff
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Post by crazycarl on Jul 4, 2013 15:26:24 GMT -5
I've got a 100ct bag of 180gr SJHP .357s that I'd like to load up for hunting with a 6.5" Blackhawk.
Powder recommendations? Velocities? I like & use 2400 in my .41 & will likely also use it for my XTP 140gr .357.
A bud & I were talking about how hot Rem 125gr SJHP factory loads were. Brought his chrony to the range & we were seeing 1650+ fps from my 6.5" BH. They make my old 2 1/2" Taurus 66 jump all over the place, but are easy-peasy out of the Blackhawk.
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woody
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Post by woody on Jul 5, 2013 6:13:20 GMT -5
I've got a 100ct bag of 180gr SJHP .357s that I'd like to load up for hunting with a 6.5" Blackhawk. Powder recommendations? Velocities? I like & use 2400 in my .41 & will likely also use it for my XTP 140gr .357. A bud & I were talking about how hot Rem 125gr SJHP factory loads were. Brought his chrony to the range & we were seeing 1650+ fps from my 6.5" BH. They make my old 2 1/2" Taurus 66 jump all over the place, but are easy-peasy out of the Blackhawk. I use 296 with my heavier hunting loads in the 357. I load 180 gr XTP's and 180 cast.
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rmc
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Post by rmc on Jul 25, 2014 21:17:36 GMT -5
Can a 357 be loaded to minimize muzzle blast and have enough juice to hunt deer? Something like a 180 or 200 grain bullet out of a 4 inch barrel at 1000fps. Yes. Here is a less than maximum load that equals the Federal CastCore factory round bullet weight and velocity 185 FNGC @ 1100 fps -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When loading for my 4" S&W 686, I want a smooth balance of controlability and penetration. For my purposes a hard cast, heat treated 185 FNGC with a .28" meplate at 1100 fps fits the bill. The load I developed with the Beartooth Bullet 185 FNGC works extremely well in delivering fast and accurate double action fire. Frankly, I find it easier to track and hit a moving target with the smooth roll of a well tuned double action trigger. www.beartoothbullets.com/Distance to chronograph screens 10 ft. Temp: 78F Six rounds. Firearm: S&W 686 4 inch barrel .357 Magnum 185 BTB FNGC, 13.0 grains of H4227, new Starline brass, and Winchester Small Pistol Magnum primers: 1103 FPS 6 round average, 27 fps extreme spread, Low 1091 FPS , High 1118 FPS. Bullet / cartridge measurements: .358" diameter, .728" long / 1.566" oal seated in 1.278" Starline cases. This is a comparatively soft recoiling, low muzzle blast load that leaves surprisingly little powder residue. Also, 13 grains of H4227 measures exactly 1.0 cc by volume - handy for adjusting the powder measure with a Lee powder dipper - checked with a scale of course. Hogdon's online data manual shows a Maximum load of 13.7 gr. of H4227 with a 180 Nosler Partition and WSPM primer. This load was derived from the Hogdon data.
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