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Post by paulg on Jul 22, 2012 8:23:27 GMT -5
Wait a minute!!! I thought you said completely emotional??? Maybe they're the same thing??? Did you major in philosophy?
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Post by 2 Dogs on Jul 22, 2012 8:54:35 GMT -5
I'm philosophical enough to know the idea is to enjoy your sixgun not blow it up or crack it or bend it!! Philosophical enough to know the purpose of a forum is to enjoy each other, help each other, and that turdsuckers aren't helpful! That said, I also love a good joke!
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Post by COR on Jul 22, 2012 9:16:19 GMT -5
There's some good comments here but mostly just the same curmudgeons (no offense to Mr. Jurras' call sign) critiscizing the same stuff...It's the same crap from the same folks and all about Gary Reeder, it's kinda flattering for him that he draws such a response. I bet it really burns them up that Gary has been in business for over 3 decades and continues to still be busy...Gary also does a few hunts a year with his friends and customers...he's taken more game with a handgun than most too. I guess ALL his customers just aren't as classy or savvy as you folks that thumb your nose down at him and hurl insults due to not liking what he produces. Glad to see fellas like "buck elliot" whose panties get in such a wad over Gary that he arises from the mystical sixgunning internet mist to tell us how big a deal he is elsewhere "on the internet" and how little everyone here knows about sixgunning because his opinion is gospel.... it gets even better when CraigC "vouches" for him... I told Lee I'd leave this be but I just can't help myself... I guess I'm just wallowing again but now we all are dirty...and those of you that like it know who (and what) you are!
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Post by CraigC on Jul 22, 2012 11:02:27 GMT -5
Let it be said that up to this point, including all the posts I deleted, I have NOT said a single negative word about Reeder or his guns. I thought this was about cracked Vaqueros and I tried like hell to limit my comments to that but apparently some folks just won't have it. I was just gonna sit back and watch the circle jerk but apparently old buddy COR has forgotten what this was all about and wants to play in the mud. COR, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE THREAD DERAILING. I'll reluctantly oblige. Fasten your seatbelts.
I was a regular on Gary's board back around 2005-2006. I was going to order an Ultimate Bisley .500 from him and go on one of his hunts with the crew. Then a witnessed half a dozen incidents where Gary absolutely went off his meds and humiliated would-be customers over stupid things like returning old parts. There were also exchanges with regulars over there about how great Gary's .44Spl Old Model conversion was, like he invented the concept. When I brought up Skeeter the response was, "nobody does it quite like Gary". This despite the fact that I had watched Gary low-rate the OM's for a couple years previous. This true-believer nonsense really stuck in my craw. (Yes sir, you guys over there hang on his every word, gobble up everything he gives you and ask for seconds.) This is an observation shared by many. Then he went off on me over something equally silly. I gave him more chances than I ever should have but ultimately parted ways. I really do wish that his board's history was still available so all could read.
My beef with Gary is not his guns. Like I've said before a hundred times, I was gonna order an Ultimate Bisley .500, very similar to Fermin's. I don't care for the animals and "warrior bitches" but some of the stuff is okay and for the price, I was game. My position has always been that Gary builds good guns at good prices. That they are a good value but objectively, his guns were not as good as those from other makers like Bowen, Harton, Clements, Stroh, Linebaugh, etc.. He doesn't linebore, he doesn't open cylinder windows, he doesn't block the action, etc.. Which is why they cost less. Which is fine, until one of the true-believers starts frothing at the mouth when you suggest that those other `smith's build better guns. My visit to Gary's shop pretty much confirmed everything I previously thought. His polishing is a bit enthusiastic and he does NO flaw removal prior to hitting the buffing wheel. There is an "engraved" Colt Officer's Model Target .22 in his shop where he has simply polished over dents, dings and pits. Fine from a distance, atrocious in hand. Bowen need not worry. This is plenty good enough for some folks and honestly, that is just fine. Just don't pay Gary's prices and expect Bowen's work.
My beef with Gary is not his experience. I think he has a lot of knowledge and experience and a lot to offer. However, it gets lost in the delivery. Nobody wants to hear what an asshole has to say, even if it is good stuff. A long time ago Fermin sent me a message about "when assholes collide". A possibility but I truly believe I have given Gary more of a chance than he deserves.
My beef with Gary is Gary. His waffling about Old Models. His intimidation and humiliation of potential customers right there on his board for all to see. The way he treated me. The countless similar stories shared by others and derided by the true believers.
So I'm sorry ole pal COR, you cannot sit there and act as if Gary is being victimized. Gary earned his reputation and you have earned this response for sticking up for him.
Seriously, what would you do if a gunsmith talked to you like you were a lowlife because you asked about getting your Old Model parts back???
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Post by boxhead on Jul 22, 2012 11:12:36 GMT -5
Dirty? TFF. I noted a view of a builder and asked if others were aware of or experienced the indications of said builder. Pretty simple and actually irrelavent as to who the builder was.
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Post by rightwinger on Jul 22, 2012 11:22:47 GMT -5
I've simply been reading these most recent comments about Reeder. Mostly just getting a laugh at the sheep like followers that tend to flock to guys like Reeder in hopes of getting his nod of approval. That and perhaps a discount on a next project? Seriously guys, any true single action enthusiast who praises work like that coming out of Gary Reeder's Flagstaff shop has a problem dealing with reality. Lee, I hope you dont lock this thread. I feel that constructive comments such as the ones made here should be read by all. I wasn't going to comment until I start seeing what I consider to be "teaming up" by what must be considered "Gary Reeder Sheep" Calling a spade a spade, My thoughts are that the rediculous engraving and huge lettering Reeder puts on virtually every gun is laughable at best. Sorry guys, it just had to be said
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Post by webber on Jul 22, 2012 12:03:35 GMT -5
I concur that CraigC is entirely correct. I used to follow his forum during that time and what CraigC said is true. He is in one sense a megalomaniac and does like to humiliate some when they just ask a simple question.
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Post by paulg on Jul 22, 2012 12:15:34 GMT -5
I remember when the Ruger LCR came out and I heard stories about the frame being "flame" cut above the forcing cone. I bought one for the wife and after hundreds of rounds fired through it I have yet to see any frame cutting.
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Post by COR on Jul 22, 2012 12:42:19 GMT -5
Yeah, I derailed it....all me
Nothings personal either, right? Kept it way above board, proud of ya
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Post by whitworth on Jul 22, 2012 13:10:12 GMT -5
Gentlemen, please refrain from personal attacks.
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Post by COR on Jul 22, 2012 14:45:57 GMT -5
Seriously, what would you do if a gunsmith talked to you like you were a lowlife because you asked about getting your Old Model parts back??? I'd spend my money elsewhere...and I wouldn't hold a grudge for 6-7 years over some hurt feelings . Get over it already.
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Post by CraigC on Jul 22, 2012 15:01:45 GMT -5
Is that really all you can come up with? "Get over it" Who's holding a grudge? I never gave my opinion of Reeder or his guns in this discussion until YOU pushed me to it. Period. I wanted to talk about the cracking issue but you wouldn't have it. I'm not waging a hate campaign. If asked, I will give my opinion and share my experience but I have NEVER started a discussion on it. Nor have I littered every forum I visit with rants about him. I hold my tongue more often than not. The problem is that YOU guys can't handle anybody saying a single negative thing about it. Even if it's the absolute truth. Bottom line is that he earned his reputation. Shame on you for pretending it didn't happen.
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Post by maxcactus on Jul 22, 2012 15:32:31 GMT -5
PLEASE, gentlemen, as our fourm host and our moderator have reminded and requested of us, let's be civil and confine ourselves to the topic of the thread. I don't want the thread getting locked or any of us getting the boot over something easily prevented.
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Post by magman on Jul 22, 2012 15:34:39 GMT -5
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Post by tangocharlie on Jul 22, 2012 15:44:54 GMT -5
To reiterate (new word, most of 'em I know and can say only have four letters) I don't own one of Mr. Reeder's guns and more than likely never will; HOWEVER, I have handled one or two, courtesy of our very own Axehandle. To quote my bride of 40 plus years, "Oooh, shiny!" Just not my cup of tea. But this is my opinion, and opinions are as varied, strange, different, and unique as the people that present them. At the risk of sounding like an amateur sickoanalyst, therein lies the problem.....a difference of opinion.
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