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Post by Lee Martin on May 17, 2012 13:52:53 GMT -5
these are the first pics I've ever seen of Lee. I don't know why But I always expected him to be bigger no offense meant. Maybe because he shoots such hand cannons I thought you had to be a big guy to do it. No offense taken. I'm definitely not big in stature (6'1, 155 pounds). Proves that anyone can shoot these things with practice. I do lift a lot of free weights however and I feel added arm and wrist strength helps. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time"
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Post by bigboredad on May 17, 2012 19:45:55 GMT -5
I totally agree with the arm and wrist strength fortunetley due my blue collar attitude I have had some pretty physical jobs til the doc's benched me for life. so my arms and wrist have held up well but my hands well oops a yesterday a 100 rounds of .45 colt 340gr at 1250 and my 7.5bisley apparently did mix well. I need to spend more time studying the recoil of big guns to find out what I did wrong. However the 5.5 bisley doesn't seem to beat me near as bad. I guess I'm not quite ready for the really big boomers but a Guy can dream
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Post by subsonic on May 17, 2012 22:19:25 GMT -5
I think the best way to get good at shooting powerful revolvers is to shoot powerful revolvers....
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Post by whitworth on May 17, 2012 23:39:31 GMT -5
I think the best way to get good at shooting powerful revolvers is to shoot powerful revolvers.... I concur - completely.
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Post by squawberryman on May 18, 2012 5:27:42 GMT -5
Per a Whitworth recipe, I went to the range yesterday with some 440's over 29.5 of 296 in my 500 JRH made by JRH. To say the recoil was substantial is an understatement. As Bowen writes of this type of recoil, it's "not for the squeamish". Practice makes perf..I mean better, though. It's a pull to your heart, that's for sure. Big guns, big bullets, big noise, big recoil, big show.
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Post by Fowler on May 18, 2012 7:14:15 GMT -5
The WORST thing you can do with big boomers is start out shooting them a lot a one range session. A cylinder or two maximum and put it away or you will develop a flinch you will never get rid of. I can shoot my 475 at max loads but I never shoot more than 10 rounds in a outing with those loads. Some can but almost no one can just grab one for the first time and run a box of shells through one without flinching very badly by the end. Once you are flinching it can take months or years to get rid of it.
You have to ease into earning to shoot these at top levels its not being a wuss or macho its reality...
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Post by AxeHandle on May 18, 2012 7:38:37 GMT -5
+1 on Fowlers observations. I find that the key for me is shooting the big ones on a regular basis. The tenderness I acquired the first time out with 454 and bigger stuff only comes back if I don't shoot. Hasn't got to be weekly or even monthly shooting, but at least every few months get out and shoot a few. FWIW beware the extended shooting session with full power big bore stuff. You guys do want you want but JT and others have been down this path. When you have destroyed the bones in your wrists it is to late.
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Post by Lee Martin on May 18, 2012 8:26:16 GMT -5
I guess everyone is different. I actually do better with long range sessions. Seems like I settle in after 20 - 30 pulls. Of late I've been shooting 100 rounds of 475 Linebaugh at a time (full throttle stuff....425's over 27.0 of H110). In fact, in all four 100 round sittings my best groups were between shots 60 and 100. There's no universal rule for how much of this stuff you should shoot though. Find what works for you and stick with that. But I agree....for most a few cylinders from these guns is plenty. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time"
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Post by bigboredad on May 18, 2012 11:55:44 GMT -5
I think I may have pushed it a little too far all you guys have great suggestions and info. After the first 25 I had settled down and was starting to get better groups so I had this bright idea of just pushing through the pain oops. I'm usually ok with the 340gr out of my .45 up to 1100 after that I have to really concentrate. But I totally agree with everyone that said the only to get better with big loads is to shoot big loads. I am just very lucky to have this forum and to be able to see what is possible thanks to Lee and whit and all the others that share photo's. This place is awesome
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Post by whitworth on May 18, 2012 17:23:02 GMT -5
For the record, I gave sqawberryman two loads, one mild, one wild. Looks like he skipped over mild. Every person is a law unto himself. My last shooting session with Lee resulted in me shooting my best group of the day with my .500 Maximum - rounds 45 through 50. Seems like I "settled in." I do agree that the uninitiated should not immediately attempt to shoot max loads. It could be counter productive.
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Post by 2 Dogs on May 18, 2012 22:42:56 GMT -5
Hmmm, I dont know. I got some pretty strong hands, and I think they actually work against me as I tend to be a bit of a hard holder and thus absorb a bunch more recoil than some guys who seem to just "roll" with it. Even when I am pretty well beaten up, my mental focus wont let me flinch. BUT, I do seem to develop the tremors now sooner than I once did. Every one is different. Im a bunch bigger than some of my friends who seem to be able to shoot the big guns with no real ill effects.
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Post by AxeHandle on May 19, 2012 9:31:56 GMT -5
There has got to be a happy medium here. Control the gun enough to keep the front sight out of your forehead but beyond that let the thing go. Personally I never shoot the big things off the bench. I am a firm believer that big guns need to be able to move. Hurts my elbows when the gun tries to drive them into the concrete bench too..
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Post by AxeHandle on May 19, 2012 9:38:46 GMT -5
Anyone who ever saw Ruby Fox shoot would understand that physical size is not a primary driver when it comes to shooting well. I will offer the personaly opinion that larger, well cared for bones, will be more durable over a lifetime of shooting than smaller, equally well cared for bones. There has got to be a happy medium here. Control the gun enough to keep the front sight out of your forehead but beyond that let the thing go. Personally I never shoot the big things off the bench. I am a firm believer that big guns need to be able to move. Hurts my elbows when the gun tries to drive them into my concrete shooting bench too..
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Post by tek4260 on May 19, 2012 9:51:35 GMT -5
Why not try some of the big boomers with SBH grip frames rather than the Bisley? Let it roll a bit rather than pound your hand quite so much.
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Post by AxeHandle on May 19, 2012 12:57:08 GMT -5
SBH? Rolling? Now that brings back a 30 year old memory of a NM SBH and a set of pachmayr grips.. I was working as a aircraft technician and well into my national match shooting days. My hands were tough.. That danged rubber backstrap stuck to my hand so good that it rolled up the skin in the palm of my hand! Taugh me a lot about rolling in recoil and sticky things... I think the SBH, while better than the XR3-Red, had more of a reputation for bashing knuckles than the Bisley...
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