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Post by majorKAP on Feb 5, 2012 12:48:04 GMT -5
I like the concept of the JT piece and I'd personallly have it done on a smaller frame OM or ideally an .357 OM FT. I like the concept just fine. It's the execution of it that doesn't suit me. Is that okay to mention?
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Post by Len on Feb 5, 2012 13:18:30 GMT -5
Very classy post "subsonic"... I love Reeder threads and the comments...seems to bring out all the same critics, all the same haters...all the same cheap shot artists. I wish some of you guys would just ignore it if you disagree with his style, apparently someone must like his guns (35 years going now)...the personal attacks get old, especially considering most of you have never spoken to the man or experienced his very giving nature. I've seen him do more for our heroes and the less fortunate among us than I can even begin to count. He deserves a hellluva lot better from this community and has earned it. Sorry to have hurt your feelings. I'm sure reeder is a good guy. I would never say his guns are put together poorly, just don't care for that style. I guess some people can't take a joke. He may be a generous man and when it comes to our troops that's very commendable makes him a Patriot as O Reilly would say but has absolutely nothing to do with his product. My own experience was with a .510 that had three major issues that effected its function none of which were cosmetic. Two of these issues were caused by shortcuts trying to put out a gun at a minimum of cost to Reeder that was followed by either incompetent or just a lack of knowledge, incorrect information in order to avoid dealing with one of the problems. As one well respected pistol smith commented Reeder's guns are production not true customs. The forum is a place for an exchange of experiences and opinions both good and bad and member should not be discouraged from posting.
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Post by don44 on Feb 5, 2012 14:34:56 GMT -5
I don't like the looks of it. JMHO
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Post by foxtrapper on Feb 5, 2012 14:40:14 GMT -5
Sorry to have hurt your feelings. I'm sure reeder is a good guy. I would never say his guns are put together poorly, just don't care for that style. I guess some people can't take a joke. He may be a generous man and when it comes to our troops that's very commendable makes him a Patriot as O Reilly would say but has absolutely nothing to do with his product. My own experience was with a .510 that had three major issues that effected its function none of which were cosmetic. Two of these issues were caused by shortcuts trying to put out a gun at a minimum of cost to Reeder that was followed by either incompetent or just a lack of knowledge, incorrect information in order to avoid dealing with one of the problems. As one well respected pistol smith commented Reeder's guns are production not true customs. The forum is a place for an exchange of experiences and opinions both good and bad and member should not be discouraged from posting. . Len what are the 3 major issues?
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Post by COR on Feb 5, 2012 14:55:55 GMT -5
I like the concept of the JT piece and I'd personallly have it done on a smaller frame OM or ideally an .357 OM FT. I like the concept just fine. It's the execution of it that doesn't suit me. Is that okay to mention? It was the other fluff that irritated me, not the opinion of the man's work, don't make more of it than what it was or try to instigate it further...
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Post by Len on Feb 5, 2012 15:21:27 GMT -5
Foxtrapper,
The sizing die he sold had been designed around a different brand brass which was thicker it would not size the brass to hold the bullet firmly, eventually corrected by Hornady they determined the brass issue.
The ejector housing was held on by barely two threads due to the barrel diameter and kept blowing off, the bolt would skip a chamber if cocked fairly fast. I had another smith silver solder a stud on the barrel for the ejector housing and correct the bolt issue.
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Post by bigbores on Feb 5, 2012 15:23:20 GMT -5
He may be a generous man and when it comes to our troops that's very commendable makes him a Patriot as O Reilly would say but has absolutely nothing to do with his product. My own experience was with a .510 that had three major issues that effected its function none of which were cosmetic. Two of these issues were caused by shortcuts trying to put out a gun at a minimum of cost to Reeder that was followed by either incompetent or just a lack of knowledge, incorrect information in order to avoid dealing with one of the problems. As one well respected pistol smith commented Reeder's guns are production not true customs. The forum is a place for an exchange of experiences and opinions both good and bad and member should not be discouraged from posting. . Len what are the 3 major issues? Len had his ejector rod come off, neck tension in the reloading dies were wrong, and his hated the custom front site he had made up. Andy Horvath fixed his ejector and made him a new front site, and Hornady made a correct sizing die at no charge. I remembered Len's post from a few years ago so I went back a re-read it. Of course Len is the same guy that posted this. "The only real plus for the FA over a properly set up Colt is that it is stronger. But for a purist it just doesn't have the looks and class of a Colt." If your worried about Purist looks a Reeder gun is not going to make you happy, pay a little more and order the custom you want. If on the other hand you want a hunting gun, Reeders gun's are hard to beat.
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Post by foxtrapper on Feb 5, 2012 15:36:46 GMT -5
Foxtrapper, The sizing die he sold had been designed around a different brand brass which was thicker it would not size the brass to hold the bullet firmly, eventually corrected by Hornady they determined the brass issue. The ejector housing was held on by barely two threads due to the barrel diameter and kept blowing off, the bolt would skip a chamber if cocked fairly fast. I had another smith silver solder a stud on the barrel for the ejector housing and correct the bolt issue. Len did you send the gun back to reeder for lifetime guarantee ? I can't believe he did not make the gun right.
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Post by grizz521 on Feb 5, 2012 15:51:22 GMT -5
Regarding Reeder guns. There's always a niche for someone to fill. To me the Reeder guns are like Jim Frost knives. Alot of so called fancy markings etc but not much of a tool
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Post by Len on Feb 5, 2012 15:56:52 GMT -5
Foxtrapper,
My 1st issue was the cases would not hold a bullet it could be pushed down with light thumb pressure. I had numerous emails (some of which I still have) and phone calls with Gary he spoke to me like someone who did not know what he was doing and after I returned the die he sent me a replacement that had the same issues he then tried to convince me that I should rely on the crimp to keep the bullet in place! Finally I called Hornady spoke with someone who worked with the Reeder wild cats. I shipped him my dies and some cases after examining them and the original case they were provided to make the dies from he explained the problem. This whole process dragged out over a couple of months. When I finally got the correct forming die I started loading and shooting the gun that is when the other two issues surfaced. Not wanting to go threw the same song and dance and wanting a better front site and grips that did not look like a kitchen counter top (they were blue) I turned the gun over to Andy.
Bigbores was correct I was not happy with the front site and discussed this on ordering the gun but I was told other options were not available all I wanted was a sturdy front site with a white bead. I am not taking issue with as it was my choice up front to order or not but it further proves the production vs true custom shop.
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Post by foxtrapper on Feb 5, 2012 17:04:24 GMT -5
Sounds like a legit gripe.
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Post by brionic on Feb 5, 2012 23:18:11 GMT -5
I like the idea of a John Taffin model gun, no matter who makes it.
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Post by CraigC on Feb 6, 2012 0:14:07 GMT -5
If on the other hand you want a hunting gun, Reeders gun's are hard to beat. Not hard at all. You can have a proper hunting sixgun built by any of several good sixgunsmiths who will actually give the customer what they want, return their old parts, answer questions politely and without the "F" word.
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Post by bigbores on Feb 6, 2012 0:42:52 GMT -5
Sounds like a legit gripe. I agree. Len seems like a reasonable stand up type of guy. Everyone can have a bad day, I don't know when this took place but I do know Gary almost went bankrupt a few years ago when he had to give almost 100k in deposits back to customers on guns he took orders on which he couldn't fill because of a bad batch of stretch frames.
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Post by subsonic on Feb 6, 2012 6:31:35 GMT -5
I'm with Bigbores. If I want a "production" type 5 shooter, my needs are being filled by BFRs. I f I want a full custom, I'm going to Bowen, etc. Nothing "wrong" with Reeder guns, just not my thing. The niche they fill is not my safe.
I can get a BFR for the cost of 1.5-2 Rugers. A Reeder is 2-3 BFRs. A Bowen, Linebaugh, etc. Is 3-4 BFRs. A Magnum Research Precision Center gun is a little less than a Reeder, an they are very close to Custom. Of course you can spend more on any of these if you want more options and stuff.
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